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Dermarolling / Microneedling / How to get rid of blackheads
« on: December 22, 2010, 05:11:29 PM »
Multiple approaches are necessary.

   

  The best would be to use a 0.5 mm roller. Dermarolling speeds up the skin's turnover and that should help keeping the pores clean even though it cannot completely solve this problem.

   

  One of the best substances to clean pores is salicylic acid because this beta hydroxy acid penetrates the pores and cleans them. Repeated and regular use is necessary.

   

  A-Ret should also help but initially it may make acne or blackheads worse (it pushes them up). You have to be patient and continue.

   

  Exfoliate the skin with baking soda. Wet your face, put baking soda on your face and gently massage with your fingers.

Or try this:

https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/Oil-cleansing-method-to-get-rid-of-blackheadsp/a>

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Latisse for eyelashes enhancement
« on: December 14, 2010, 01:42:35 PM »
>Can I use a dermaroller to enhance Latisse absorption?

   

 

LATISSE is prescription treatment for eyelash length, thickness and color enhancement.

 

No, you cannot use a dermaroller. Latisse must be applied to the roots of the upper eyelashes and a dermaroller cannot be used on the eyelids due to potential eye injury.

 

  You can use Latisse to grow eyebrows as well even though it is not officially promoted for eyebrows.

 

  The active ingredient of Latisse is Bimatoprost 0.3 mg/mL. Bimatoprost has been used to treat glaucoma (longer/thicker eyelashes were the unexpected "side effect").  

 

  Latisse does not trigger new eyelashes.  It prolongs the active/growing phase of existing eyelash follicles (hairs have active and dormant phases)

 

EFFICACY:


 

"After 16 weeks, 78% of those in the bimatoprost group had at least a 1-point increase on a scale that measured eyelash prominence compared with 18% of those on the vehicle."


 

 

 

   

  It can take up to 4 months to achieve the full results.

 

  A bottle normally lasts 6-8 weeks.

 

  Do not apply it to the eyelashes but to the skin - the base of the eyelashes.  Try to prevent it getting into your eyes. If it gets into your eyes, you do not have to rinse it. It is not dangerous because it is an ophthalmic solution but you should avoid getting it repeatedly into your eyes since it reduces intraocular pressure.

 

  If you discontinue the product for a significant time, the lashes will gradually (in 1-2 months) go back to their original state.

 

  Lumigan drops for glaucoma are identical to Latisse but much cheaper.

 

  Revitalash and some other products do no longer contain Bimatoprost due to patent issues.

                      Attached files

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Why Infadolan works on wrinkles
« on: December 14, 2010, 09:44:50 AM »
>I have read that some people notice very quick improvement

>in lines around their eyes using Infadolan but how can this be

>scientifically possible?

   

  Good question.

  Infadolan is a medical grade, regenerative ointment with vitamins A, D and Lanolin. No preservatives, no fragrance. It is indicated for first-degree burns and other smaller injuries. It helps the protection, re-epithelization and regeneration of the skin.

   

  The vitamins A & D are very beneficial for the skin and Lanolin is an outstanding moisturizer.

  Please read this information from Wikipedia about Lanolin, clarifying why it helps diminishing wrinkles:

https://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanolin

 

  LANOLIN

   

  "New products obtained using complex purification techniques produce lanolin esters in their natural state removing oxidative and environmental impurities resulting in white, odourless, hypoallergenic lanolin. These ultra-high purity grades of lanolin are ideally suited to the treatment of dermatological disorders such as eczema and on open wounds.

  Some years ago, lanolin attracted a great deal of attention owing to a misunderstanding concerning its sensitising potential. A study carried out at New York University Hospital in the early 1950s had shown that approximately 1% of patients with dermatological disorders were allergic to the lanolin being used at that time. However, this figure was misinterpreted and taken out of context and became quoted as 1% of the general healthy (American) population. It has been estimated that this simple misunderstanding by failing to differentiate between the general healthy population and patients with dermatological disorders exaggerates the sensitising potential of lanolin by approximately 5,000 - 6,000 times.
   

  More recently, using modern scientific methods, attention has focused on the positive aspects of lanolin and on increasing our understanding about how lanolin achieves its beneficial skin effects.
   

  Modern analytical methods have revealed that lanolin possesses a number of important chemical and physical similarities to human stratum corneum lipids; the lipids which help regulate the rate of trans-epidermal water loss and govern the hydration state of the skin.
 

Cryo-scanning electron microscopy has shown that lanolin, like human stratum corneum lipids, consists of a mass of liquid crystalline material. Cross-polarised light microscopy has shown the multi-lamellar vesicles formed by lanolin are identical to those formed by human stratum corneum lipids. It is well known that the incorporation of bound water into the stratum corneum involves the formation of multi-lamellar vesicles.
     

  Skin bio-engineering studies have shown that the durational effect of the emollient (skin smoothing) action produced by lanolin is very significant and lasts for many hours. Lanolin applied to the skin at 2mg cm-2 has been shown to reduce roughness by ca. 35% after 1 hour and ca. 50% after 2 hours with the overall lasting for considerably more than 8 hours. Lanolin is also known to form semi-occlusive (i.e. breathable) films on the skin. When applied daily at ca. 4 mg cm-2 for five consecutive days, the positive moisturising effects of lanolin were detectable until ca. 72 hours after final application. It has been postulated that lanolin may achieve some of its moisturising effects forming a secondary moisture reservoir within the skin."

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Improving the color of white stretchmarks
« on: December 09, 2010, 12:14:04 PM »
The reason why mature stretch marks and other mature scars are whiter than the surrounding skin is because scar tissue has a limited blood supply and it has an insufficient amount of functional melanocytes.  Melanocytes produce melanin. Melanin is the pigment that determines the color of our skin. When our skin is exposed to the sun, the skin produces more melanin as a protection – melanin absorbs UV.

   

  Dermarolling and especially more intensive procedures such as single needling or dermastamping can trigger neovascularization (formation of new blood vessels) and new melanocytes production. Moreover, it crushes the hardened scar collagen and that softens the stretch mark.

   

  This should improve the color and texture of your stretch marks (if you are lucky, patient and persistent).

 

Please look at the before and after photos of our customers:

   https://http://www.owndoc.com/stretchmarks/dermarolling-before-and-after-photos-from-our-customers/

   

  The best approach is:

   

  Pre-treat the skin with dry brushing, Tretinoin gel and vit. C according to our instructions.

  Roll the whole area with 1.5 mm roller.

   

  Immediately, or some days later after rolling with a 1.5mm roller, single-needle or derma-stamp the stretch marks only.

   

  If you want to further increase the chance of color improvement, you can attempt to transfer melanocytes from normal skin to your stretch marks. Melanocytes aren’t very deep in the skin. They are at the bottom of the epidermis, which is about the depth to which the 0.5 mm roller penetrates. Immediately after single needling or derma stamping, use a 0.5 mm roller to attempt melanocytes “transplantation”.

   

  Use stretch mark free skin to harvest the melanocytes . First needle or stamp the stretch marks/scars. Then roll your stretch marks free skin with 0.5 mm to hopefully harvest some melanocytes with the needles of the roller – then immediately roll over your stretch marks/ scars to hopefully implant them. Repeat this harvest/implant procedure several times during one procedure.

   

More info here:

https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/Melanocytes-transfer-for-white-scars-and-hypopigmentation

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Dermarolling for acne scars
« on: November 25, 2010, 09:55:58 AM »
>I have some rolling scars on my cheeks from acne, and I read about your

  >dermaroller but im not sure if it will work or if it only works on ice  pick

  >scars, etc. and im not sure which to buy.  I attached a picture, I have them

  >on both cheeks and some along the sides of my chin.  Does this product

  >really work?

 

     You are lucky because your scars are quite minor.

   

  Dermarolling works for all types of acne scars however you should not expect complete disappearance of the scars. Just improvement. In successful dermarolling cases, acne scars soften, they fill in and thus become less indented - if they are darker their color improves and the overall texture evens.

   

  The skin consists of three main layers. The epidermis, dermis and subdermis.

  Acne scars are in the dermis and you need a needle length to thoroughly reach the dermis.

   

  You have three options:

   

  Use a 1.5 mm normal-width roller.

  Use a 1.5 mm dermastamp.  

  Use a 2 mm single needle.

   

  Rolling with 1.5 mm can be quite painful, especially before you get used to it. Lots of people roll without a numbing cream and they claim it is bearable. Other use an ice pack or a numbing cream (we sell EMLA). I personally can roll my entire face without EMLA, with the exception of area above the lip.  

   

  In your case, I would recommend a 1.5 mm dermaroller. Roll quite densely over your cheeks every 3-4 weeks. If you get no improvement after 4 rolls, start to needle the individual scars with our custom-made single needles. Single needling is the most intensive and targeted treatment for scars.

   

  In case of more serious acne scars than yours, I recommend a derma stamp, which you can combine with single-needling, especially if the results are not as hoped for.

   

  Unfortunately, just like with any other method, including an expensive dermabrasion or laser resurfacing - not everybody achieves results but if you are patient and do not give up too early, you should achieve noticeable to strong improvement.

   

  Your post-acne spots and moderate redness (or is makeup/a photographic artefact?) may be improved by Tretinoin gel (also available from us).

   

  Tretinoin's primary indication in dermatology is acne.  Tretinoin speeds up the skin's turnover and it thus keeps acne under control, unclogs pores, and speeds up the diminishing of pigmentation, etc.

   

  The only problem with Tretinoin is that if you use too much or use it too frequently, it can dry out and irritate the skin. Start very slowly. A pea-sized bead of gel is enough for the entire face. Saves money as well :-)

   

  Both dermarolling and Tretinoin speed up the skin's turnover (renewal), which helps with many skin conditions, but it requires extra moisturizing and remember that the more is not always the better..

   

  If you can spare 2 more dollars, also buy our vit. C powder for a homemade vit. C serum, since vit. C is needed for collagen synthesis. There are reasons why you should really make such a serum yourself, having to do with stability and purity.

   

  Some people achieved amazing results with dermarolling such as the lady on this photo. She is not our customer, neither do I know the doctor who performed her procedure.

   

  I just wanted to show that such results are possible. Even though your scars are incomparably less severe than hers.

   

  Acne scars before and after roll CIT:

  https://http://www.realself.com/photo/157755

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / We now sell Retinoic Acid gel
« on: November 22, 2010, 02:57:34 PM »
0.05% Retinoic acid (Tretinoin) gel in a 20 g  tube

The reason we are  twice as cheap as the world's cheapest supplier (incl. shipping cost) is  that some tubes may have some (harmless) dents in them.

We charge 13 dollars. There is one online pharmacy that charges less, but that's just a trick because when you checkout, you'll find that shipping is 25 dollars, so even when buying two tubes, we're the cheapest in the world. We charge $2.50 for shipping to the US and $2,- to Europe.

Retin-A repairs  photodamaged skin, improves fine lines and wrinkles, unclogs pores and  black heads, controls acne, helps eliminating acne spots and evens out  skin coloration. It improves the appearance of fresh stretch marks and  to a lesser extent of old stretch marks. For most conditions, the  effects of Retin-A will only appear after several months of use.

Excellent  for dermarolling pre-treatment of face, scars, stretch marks, skin with  lost elasticity and unwanted pigmentation.

Only a pea-size  amount of gel should be used to spread on the entire face. Using more  may cause irritation and redness. Make sure the skin is dry before  application.

Since Tretinoin is sun sensitive, apply before  bedtime and use a high factor sun screen over the next days.

In  the beginning, do not apply daily. Start slowly. Apply every three days,  then gradually every second day, etc.

Tretinoin will likely make  your skin peel. To avoid peeling of your fingers, wash your hands after  applying the gel.

If skin redness, irritation or excessive  peeling occurs, decrease the frequency of application and the amount of  the applied gel.

Do not apply immediately after dermarolling,  because it will sting. Wait at least until the day after.

If used  for acne the condition may worsen at first and improvement comes later.

Keep  the skin moisturized. Vit. A is fat-soluble and can be applied together  with other creams.

Do not apply if you are pregnant, lactating  or planning a pregnancy.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / 19 ways to recognize dermarolling scammers
« on: November 21, 2010, 05:24:29 PM »
1. They claim FDA approval

We don't know of any commercially available dermaroller to non-medical doctors that has FDA approval. If a site claims that their roller is FDA approved, they should state the FDA registration number. With that number you can verify the FDA approval. Without it, you can still verify the claim here:

https://http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfRL/rl.cfm

You'll find that typing for example "Dermal Integrity" into "Establishment name" yields zero results, meaning the company has no FDA-registered devices. When a company lies about FDA approval, what else are they lying about? Sure, most rollers come in boxes with the FDA seal on them. I don't know what the FDA can do about that, since they can't possibly open all mail and verify all stamps and seals. There is very little they can do against a Chinese eBay seller anyway.

2. They give their dermaroller a brand name

There are a ver few real real brand names in the roller world. Apart from Dr. Roller, Original Dermaroller, and SRS Micro Meso, there exist no other brands of dermarollers. The Scientia roller, for example, is just an overpriced Dr. Roller with the cardboard packaging removed. All other dermarollers except the forementioned three are generic models made in China. They come in generic plastic boxes and are packaged in generic cardboard boxes. However, any company ordering a few thousand of those rollers will get branded versions, typically a brand name on the roller handle, a brand name on the plastic box or a customized box, plus a customized cardboard box.

3. They claim patented or patent-pending manufacturing processes.

Apart from the Original Dermaroller™, no other rollers have any patents on them, because China - the country that produces them - does not even honor international patents, in practice. So the factories don't bother with for example a very expensive US patent. If they claim patents, ask for their patent number(s) so that it can be verified.

4. They say they only sell certain needle lengths to medical doctors, but if you try to order, there is no verification that you are indeed a doctor.

They have this bogus restriction to gain trust with the customer and create a desire to purchase the "medical-grade" roller. When the customer attempts to order the roller, all that is required is to tick a box saying: "I am a medical doctor" for the rollers with long needles.

5. They claim that their rollers are manufactured in the US or Europe

No dermarollers are produced in the US or Europe. All rollers are made in China or Korea. Not that this matters, but it's just a trick to gain customer confidence.

6. They claim a unique invention, such a "special needles", "more needles" or "special light".

An example of this:

forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/i-found-a-dermaroller-with-540-needles/

 
7. They make many unverifiable or vague statements to make their product seem more attractive.

Such as "quick results", "doctor-directed", "natural, high tech skin care technology", "high quality polished Swedish stainless steel", "unique quality control serial number",  "unique patented ergonomic design by award-winning designer", "medical grade plastic", "no <fill in scary term>"

8. They are too dismissive of competing rollers, claiming they will "rust" or "dull quickly".

In fact, not even the worst rollers in our dermaroller test rusted. It simply is sowing FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt)


9. They have many glowing testimonials on their site.

It is very easy to make up a few testimonials. For dermarolling products, we don't bother to put them on our site any more. We opened an open forum instead, where everyone can discuss their experiences - good or bad. Enthusiastic testimonials are highly suspicious, for the simple reason that:

A. Permanent results only come after at least half a year of rolling - regardless what they'd like you to believe.

B. If any enthusiastic testimonials are received before that, then it is unethical to publish those rather premature testimonials, because they're due to temporary puffiness or other transient effects.

C. After a half a year or more of rolling, customers are unlikely to send in testimonials any more.

We have sold many thousands of dermarollers, and we hardly ever received a "raving testimonial" of the type we read on the scam sites. We do not believe that the sites selling those over-priced rollers publish real testimonials. Some sites haven't even been selling rollers for more than a few months and they already have testimonials about "amazing results". Testimonials really don't make much sense, for dermarollers. Any decent dermaroller will give similar results. All that counts is the price and that it's not of inferior quality. And of course that you stick to a good treatment regimen, such as our dermarolling instructions>. Incidentally, we've noticed that the "brand names" are putting our guidelines online in a "spun" (rephrased) form. It's still very recognizable in some cases. They had to "spin" them, because we forced them to remove literal copies. We worked hard on our instructions - an ongoing project. We resent that others pretend to be knowledgeable by publishing rephrased versions of our research.

10. They have very many before-and-after pictures on their site.

It is very hard to acquire good before-and-after pictures. A customer has first to religiously stick to an optimal treatment schedule for a year or so, then decide all by themselves to send in high-resolution, sharp, well-lighted pictures, and trust and agree that the photo's can be used on some commercial site, as long as a small black box is placed over their eyes.

Nearly all those pictures are copied from course books on dermatology and plastic surgery. That's why they're all uniform-looking with similar background and lighting and you don't see a Copyright message on them such as on our pictures that really do come from happy customers. If it weren't for the big "Vaughter Wellness" text on our pictures, they would be plastered all over the Internet by now.

11. They claim that most dermarollers have 0.15 mm thick needles that last shorter, and that 0.3 mm is better.

We have tested many dermarollers in our dermaroller review and we did not find any roller with 0.15 mm needles. To our knowledge, nearly all dermarollers available in the market today have a needle thickness of 0.25 mm and the reason is that scientific research found that that is the ideal thickness for microneedling. 0.3 is the upper limit (such thick needles increase the risk of scarring) and 0.2 mm is the lower limit (lower than that and the beneficial effect of collagen regeneration is sub-optimal). So this is a myth in order to spread suspicion against the other rollers. As an aside, 0.15 mm needles would bend very easily.

12. They claim that their rollers last a full year or longer.

This is always a lie, because technology is not yet so advanced that they can produce non-blunting metal needles for affordable prices. Needle tips are only a few molecules wide at the end and they always blunt after a few thousand skin penetrations. Perhaps there exist an exotic material such as ceramics that blunts slower, but there exists no special dermaroller today that lasts longer than about seven average treatment sessions, meaning that you roll not a tiny patch of skin and not a huge area such as your entire chest. Don't forget that these plastic dermarollers are originally intended to be used only once - they are intended to be sold as disposable rollers for clinics.

Noone can claim that their rollers last "more than one year". All needles blunt and how fast they blunt depends on how much you roll. One year is only achievable when you only roll small areas - infrequently.

13. They claim that dermarolling does not hurt and that numbing creams can damage nerves.

This is totally false. Dermarolling hurts - a lot. Even rolling with a 0.5 mm roller hurts. Many say: "It hurts like hell". The only possible reason someone would want to claim that dermarolling doesn't hurt or is only "slightly painful" would be to sell more rollers.  Dermarolling is as painful as those needles look! No point in denying that. If you are scared of pain, don't roll or use ice packs or a numbing cream. If you want to look better, you'll have to suffer. No free lunch. Most competitors find it impossible to supply numbing creams because they are prescription-based in Europe, China refuses to dropship them due to frequent confiscation so there are very few places that still dropship them. In fact only one company in the world still does this. So White Lotus, unable to sell numbing creams and afraid people will buy the entire order from another vendor, simply claims that dermarolling doesn't hurt. Their site is full of scary warnings to warn against everything that doesn't fit their business model, such as "There is scientific evidence that numbing creams can damage local nerves". Funny how they never give a link to such "evidence" - because there is none.

14. They sell their own sterilizing spray

Microneedling devices should be thoroughly cleaned after use by rinsing it in warm soapy water first and then immersing it for at least half an hour into a > 60% alcohol solution or some other kind of sterilizing agent such as Chloramine-T (cheaper and more effective than alcohol). Merely spraying the needles is not enough by far, as the alcohol evaporates before the bacteria die. It takes a long time to really sterilize (as opposed to merely "disinfect") something with alcohol - a few seconds of spray won't cover every part of the needles fully. The reason they sell a tiny spray bottle for several times the price of a large bottle with denaturated alcohol from the pharmacy is because they can make good money with it. They can't make money with a large bottle of disinfecting alcohol - you can buy that cheaper in a local store. But that's exactly what you should do, if you want to properly disinfect your dermaroller. If you want to go one step further and sterilize your microneedling instrument, you should use Chloramine-T.

15. They claim that dermarolling can increase breast size

Anyone who understands the principles of microneedling knows this can't be true:

White Lotus claims that dermarolling can enlarge breasts

Of course, such wild, unsubstantiated claims sell more rollers. they know very well that dermarolling can't augment breasts, so they are careful to call it "Breast Enhancement Acupuncture". Buyer beware - at the time of writing, they sell a dermaroller that costs 3 dollars bulk wholesale and a needleless massage roller, plus a tiny "serum" bottle for $139.95. That's $9.95 worth of value and $130 profit. And if you use the roller to increase the size of your breasts, it's not even worth $9.95 - it just won't work.

16. They claim that vitamins can be harmful, when used with dermarolling.

Probably because there is little profit margin on pharmaceutical vitamins (because they have to be purchased from a pharmacy first) and there is much more profit on self-produced "serums", White Lotus claimed that vitamins are bad because they are "artificial" and they can cause liver failure and whatnot. Because the skin is 1000 times more "open" and the vit. A will damage your liver, etc.

First of all: You need so much vit. A to cause liver damage that if you would eat a hundred tubes of vit. A cream, nothing would happen. Scott's South Pole expedition ended badly and that was partially due to vit. A poisoning. They had been eating polar bear livers for weeks, ingesting absolutely huge amounts of vit. A, millions of times more than is in an entire tube.

Secondly: Vit A cream is not used directly after dermarolling! So their scaremongering is based on a straw man, a false premisse, a red herring.

For the rest: It has been proven many times in a clinical setting that vit. C and D is very beneficial and even essential to healing skin. The same with vit. A. "artificial" or "natural" are meaningless words without exact definitions. Uranium is natural, would you eat it? The vit. C we sell is 100% medically pure L-Ascorbic acid crystals, purer than found in nature, achieving great results in medical trials.

Of course there is little money to be made with vit. C, hence the disinterest on the part of White Lotus to sell it, because if they charge too much, anyone can see that and buy it locally. Our vit. C sells for three dollars. Instead of lying to our customers and squeezing the last drop of cash out of them, we chose to simply provide whatever has been proven to be beneficial, for an honest price - our cost plus a modest percentage.

17. They sell tiny bottles of expensive, self-made "enhancement serums" with extracts of some cheap herbs of which the efficacy is wholly unproven.

You know how you can immediately recognize dermarolling scammers? They  sell their own "miracle serums" instead of clinically proven vitamin  creams and ointments. Vitamin creams are expensive. They are  made in pharmaceutical companies and sold in pharmacies. They have  proven themselves in countless medical studies and conform to strict  quality requirements. Such vitamins are expensive and not much money can  be made with them, hence the need to sell self-produced "serums" that  cost nearly nothing to produce and can be sold at a huge profit margin.  The most expensive part is the bottle and the cost of shipping. Stay far  away from those peddling their own serums, potions, herbal extracts and  essential oil mixtures. Scientia sells self-branded multivitamins for a dollar a pill (30 dollars/month) that cost 50 cents a bottle wholesale. Made in China. Buyer beware - source your multivitamins from a reputable Western manufacturer, not from a 20-year-old in Hong Kong.

18. They copy lare sections of text verbatim from competitors

Most online vendors of dermarollers are youngh Chinese males pretending to be respectable, large companies. Those kids do not have the slightest interest in microneedling, but they are very savvy internet marketeers. Because they have more "make money online" schemes going, they don't write their own articles but they copy from sites like ours. Cases in point: Scientia and Skinfinite. Both copied large sections of text and, in Scientia's case, even photo's from our site. It's usually stuff from my dermarolling guidelines, but they copied the descriptions in our web store or sales page as well. If you see anything that are near-identical to paragraphs that I wrote, you have just spotted a scammer. Scientia is by far the worst offender, and we had to submit three DMCA takedown requests to get just one of his many sites cleaned up:

https://http://owndoc.com/DMCA/Scientia.pdf 

https://http://owndoc.com/DMCA/Scientia3.pdf

19. They say that you should roll more often than once every three weeks with needles of 1.5 mm length (or similar advice)

Such advice will ruin your skin instead of improve it. The full cycle of collagen regeneration takes months - many months! All such advice does is sell many more rollers because the more often you use them, the sooner they get blunt. This advice is either based on ignorance or malice.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Dermarolling for thinning hair
« on: November 12, 2010, 06:32:28 PM »
>I understand that dermarolling can be effective
>for thinning hair. I have a 1.0 mm and 1.5
>dermaroller that I ordered from you this summer.
>I wondered if you could recommend the frequency
>of dermarolling on the scalp.

 

The most effective is to roll with a 0.2 or a 0.5 mm regular dermaroller (to enhance Minoxidil absorption) and apply Minoxidil right after dermarolling. Minoxidil doesn't grow new hair (such a miracle doesn’t exist yet) but it prolongs the growing phase of the hair. Hair cycles - it has active and dormant phases and by prolonging the growing phase, there will be more hair on your scalp.

 
 You have to be careful with Minoxidil. Please read this posting:

 https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/rolling-minoxidil-into-the-scalp/
 

Also, Minoxidil (especially the high percentages from 5%) sometimes/rarely thickens facial hair, which is not an appreciable effect when you are a woman however it is reversible and it will disappear if you discontinue Minoxidil. When you apply it, make sure it doesn't run down your face.

You should start with 2% Minoxidil and apply it with a 0.2 mm dermaroller every second day. If you have no problems, you can apply it every day. It will take several months to see the effects.


You can try to encourage hair growth by dermarolling itself, using a 0.5 or a 1 mm regular dermaroller (with or without Minoxidi)l. It will bring blood to the skin and thus nourishes the hair follicles.

 
The easiest way to roll the scalp is to roll in one direction only. Direction from the hair roots to the hair ends.

 
I think that the combination of Minoxidil with and dermaroller will be more successful than rolling without Minoxidil.

Please read:

A randomized evaluator blinded study of effect of microneedling in androgenetic alopecia: A pilot study

https://http://www.ijtrichology.com/article.asp?issn=0974-7753;year=2013;volume=5;issue=1;spage=6;epage=11;aulast=Dhurat



You may also be interested in this study about the effect of Ketoconazole on Androgenic Alopecia:

 
ketoconazole-hairloss.pdf

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Vitamin A cream toxicity?
« on: October 28, 2010, 10:55:51 AM »
> Is infadolan toxic if it gets in your blood stream when you

> use it with dermaroller there's topic's and youtube video's

> talking about certain vitamin a, c and others just curious.      



Vit. A

   "Acute toxic dose is 25,000 IU/kg, and chronic toxic dose is 4000 IU/kg every day for 6-15 months.”

 

  https://http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/819426-overview

  Our 30-gram tubes of Infadolan  contain in total 48,000 IU Retinyl acetate per tube.



For acute toxicity, an individual weighing 50 kg would have to eat 26 tubes of Infadolan in one go.


 

  For chronic toxicity, an individual weighing 50 kg would have to eat four tubes of Infadolan daily for 6 months to 15 months.

 

However you should not use Infadolan or other vit. A creams or ointments on extensive areas after dermarolling when pregnant.


 

 

 

11. Toxicological information   (tested by BASF)

  Acute toxicity

 

  Information on: Retinyl acetate

 

  Assessment of acute toxicity:

 

  Virtually nontoxic after a single ingestion.

 

  ----------------------------------

 

  Oral:

 

  Information on: retinyl acetate

 

  Type of value: LD50

 

  Species: rat

 

  Value: > 2,000 mg/kg (BASF-Test)

 

https://http://www.owndoc.com/pdf/vit-a-toxicity.pdf

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I suffered from Acne many years. Now the ISO-Therapie (Ciscutan) is over. (Since 6 Months)

   But I still have a lot of big-sized pores (like tiny holes) and scars (some are red) in my face.

     But that´s not enough: I´ve also a big number of stretchmarks around the hips, bottom and some on the back. That´s becaue of lifting weights. (My skin wasn´t flexible enough for the pressure)

     So I decided to give the microneedling a chance for both of my problems. I have read your articles and now I have a few questions:

     - I think the 1,5 mm roller would be the best option. I want to use the Emla Cream to numb the skin. You said it´s not good for large areas.. what is large? Can I numb my whole face in one go or should I do this in several parts?

   I thought I would numb and roll the face in one go and the stretchmarks one week later.... so my skin must nor absorb to much emla-cream in to short time. Is that a good idea or are the skin-areas still to big?

     -I still have 2-3 "spots" in my face. But no inflammations. The spots are more like little warts? Is that a problem for microneedling?  

     - How long does it take to have normal-looking skin after rolling. I can only do this on friday evening. So It kan take 2 days to heal because of my job.

     -What preperates do I really need - before and after? (vit A,B,C,D...) Is the "Copper peptide facial mask" essential? I think the other preperates are "must-haves". Is that right?

     -How many preperates do I need for approximately 1 to 1.5 years?

     -Please send me a list of what I really need and how to use it. Then I´m going to buy the whole stuff in your shop.

 

    Acne scars usually respond well to rolling/needling but unfortunately almost nothing fixes enlarged pores and if yes, the result is only temporary. Pores are ducts in the skin with sebaceous glands and there are basically no methods to make pores smaller. You can only improve scars.

 

Indeed, 1.5 mm is a good option. The skin on the back and buttocks is one of the thickest on the body.  

 

You can numb your face in one go – no problem.  You do not have to wait one week with numbing your stretch marks area. There will be no EMLA present in your body the next day.


 

  “Elimination:- The half-life of lidocaine elimination from the plasma following IV administration is approximately 65 to 150 minutes (mean 110, ±24 SD, n=13). More than 98% of an absorbed dose of lidocaine can be recovered in the urine as metabolites or parent drug. The systemic clearance is 10 to 20 mL/min/kg (mean 13, ±3 SD, n=13). The elimination half-life of prilocaine is approximately 10 to 150 minutes (mean 70,

  ±48 SD, n=13). The systemic clearance is 18 to 64 mL/min/kg (mean 38, ±15 SD, n=13)."

 

https://http://www1.astrazeneca-us.com/pi/EMLA.pdf


 

  The stated half-life means that if some of EMLA gets absorbed into the blood, the amount of EMLA in the blood will halve every 65 to 150 minutes until there is nothing left.

 

The spots on your face (the little warts you speak of) present no problem for dermarolling.

About how long it will take to have normal-looking skin after dermarolling:    



  If you roll with 1.5 mm the skin will look like you have got mild sunburn. This usually lasts only for a few hours. The skin will be vulnerable and drier for couple of days and you should keep it moisturized and protected from UV by sunscreen lotion.  

 If you do single needling (which is the most targeted and intensive method for scars) the redness may last several days. You can single-needle every couple of days one or two scars so that you do not have many red spots on your face in one go.



  Just do a test patch on one scar and you will see how long the redness will last. It also depends how deeply and densely you needle.

 

About what vitamins etc. you need:  

 

Copper peptides are not essential. Vit. C is because it is necessary for collagen synthesis.

For a treatment duration of one to one and a half years, you will need:



  -two 1.5 mm dermarollers (you can also try with one, and switch to 2 mm later)



  -one pack of single needles (one pack contains 5 needles. If you intend to use them regularly, you'll need more)

 

-four 20-gram bags of vit. C powder


 

-one Infadolan – use it especially on your stretch marks after rolling / needling


 

-one tube of EMLA – you will probably be able to roll without EMLA. The face is quite painful to roll but it is bearable, the hips and around the hip area can be rolled without EMLA.


 

This will last you a long time. If you get no occasional pinpoint bleeding with 1.5 mm on your back/hips/buttocks you can even opt for a 2 mm roller with your next purchase. Our postage fees are very low so you can always order things separately.


Then read our detailed microneedling instructions:

  https://http://dermaroller.owndoc.com/dermaroller-instructions.pdf

Some more about EMLA:

   The tube we sell contains 30 g EMLA. The studies using 60 g EMLA applied to 400 cm2 of intact skin and left occluded for 3 and 24 hours did not end up in toxic blood levels.  But you must remove EMLA before you roll because rolling highly enhances the absorption of anything applied.

 



  “Absorption: The amount of lidocaine and prilocaine systemically absorbed from EMLA Cream is directly related to both the duration of application and to the area over which it is applied. In two pharmacokinetic studies, 60 g of EMLA Cream (1.5 g lidocaine and 1.5 g prilocaine) was applied to 400 cm2 of intact skin on the lateral thigh and then covered by an occlusive dressing. The subjects were then randomized such that one-half of the subjects had the occlusive dressing and residual cream removed after 3 hours, while the remainder left the dressing in place for 24 hours. The results from these studies are summarized below.

 

  When 60 g of EMLA Cream was applied over 400 cm2 for 24  hours, peak blood levels of lidocaine are approximately 1/20 the systemic toxic level. Likewise, the maximum prilocaine level is about 1/36 the toxic level.

 

  The application of EMLA Cream to broken or inflamed skin, or to 2,000 cm2 or more of skin where more of both anesthetics are absorbed, could result in higher plasma levels that could, in susceptible individuals, produce a systemic pharmacologic response.”

                      Attached files

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / LED skin treatment
« on: October 25, 2010, 10:33:21 AM »
>Also, do you have any expertise on LED therapy?

   

  It might improve active acne or Rosacea but not the depth of any scars.

  Lots of people claim it did nothing for their pores. Example:

   

  https://http://www.smartskincare.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4006

   

  I cannot comment on the efficacy of LEDs, I will just write some information to help you make a choice.

   

  Low-power laser therapy and also LED (light-emitting diode)  therapy has been used with various success to relieve certain kind of musculoskeletal pain, chronic inflammation and to speed up the healing of soft tissue or ischemic injuries.

   

  Concerning the skin, there are claims that light treatment with LEDs can modulate fibroblast proliferation and collagen synthesis.

   

  The mechanism of its biological effects is not fully understood.

   

  It is believed that a primary effect is the stimulation of mitochondrial oxidative cell metabolism and thus accelerating cell- and tissue repair.

   

  The most common outcomes in successful cases are the reduction of redness, improved skin tone and enhanced skin smoothness.

   

  Blue LEDs supposedly negatively affect acne bacteria (if the claims are true, perhaps because blue light is close to the sterilizing UV-A) but they do not affect the depth of acne scars. Sunlight should have the same or even better effect as blue LEDs.

   

  Red LEDs reduce redness such as from inflammation. Red light displays anti-inflammatory properties by influencing cytokine release from macrophages. Sometimes it is used to hasten the reduction of redness for example, after treatment with IPL (intense pulse light), acid peels or Fraxel Laser. Again, this effect can simply be due to the fact that red light is close to infrared, which is heat. So again, ordinary sunlight may yield an even better result.

   

  How to choose a LED device:

   

Assuming you buy into the hype. If you plan to use it on large skin areas such as the whole face etc, buy a device that has many LEDs and covers a large area of skin in one go. This will significantly shorten the time necessary for treating large areas.

   

  Frequently used wavelengths:

   

  Blue light between 400 nm to 412 nm is most commonly used to treat acne, sometimes in combination with infrared (wavelengths of 830 nm to 880 nm).

   

  Red light at around 633 nm - 660 nm for inflammation reduction and skin smoothness.

   

  Yellow light: The GentleWaves device emits a 590 nm wavelength. They are spending a fortune in TV advertizing to claim "NASA technology" but we do not know of any clinical evidencethat it does anything.

   

  Lots of devices use the combination of blue and red/infrared LEDs.

   

  Hold the LED device very close to the skin. The closer the better. A LED (light emitting diode) does not emit much heat (except for a little infrared). Clean your skin prior to treatment. Eye protection is not necessary, because even though Laser LEDs do exist, LED skin therapy is done with "ordinary light" LEDs, meaning the same effect (if there really is any) can theoretically be achieved with an ordinary light bulb with a colored filter.

  You should administer a dose of at least 4 Joules per cm2 of skin per treatment in order to achieve the smallest of effects.



  Example:

   

  A LED device has these specifications:

   

  Red (wavelength 633 nm). Power output 8.4 mW/cm2. A mW is a milliWatt, or a thousandth of a Watt.

   

  The light output is 8.4 mW per cm2 and your goal is 4 Joules per cm2 per treatment. One Joule is defined as one Watt per second, so in order to achieve that, you should know that J = W x S (Joule is Watt x Seconds)

   

  In our case, we want to know how many seconds, so our equation becomes S = J / W. We just said 4 Joules is the target energy to be delivered to a square centimeter of skin, and the output of LED devices is stated in mW, so the formula to use is: Seconds of treatment per cm2 of skin = 4000 mJ / milliWatt per cm2 of skin.

   

  4000 mJ divided by 8.4 = 476 seconds.

   

  So each time you use the device, you should apply it for 476 seconds (8 minutes) on a skin surface area with the same size as the light emitting surface area as the device. This means that if you want to treat a skin area that is four times larger than the light emitting part of the LED device, that you need to move it over the skin for 4 x 8 = 32 minutes in total.

   

  If the output per cm2 is not specified, look for the total output of the device and divide the total output by the total area of the panels with LEDs. This will give the Wattage per cm2. Example: Output area is 10 cm2, total Wattage is 50 mW. Wattage per cm2 is 50 divided by 10 = 5 mW.

   A bare minimum of 4 Joules per cm2 per treatment is required to attain any kind of biological effect. To give you an idea how many doses were used during studies:

   

 

Blue and Red Light Combination LED Phototherapy for Acne Vulgaris in Patients with Skin Phototype IV


   

  The blue light comprised of five panels containing 260 LEDs each.

 

The red light consisted of four panels containing 420 LEDs each.

 

The treatment heads delivered wavelengths:

 

415.5 nm for the blue light and 633.6 nm for the red light.

 

The irradiance was 40 mW / cm2 for the blue light and 80 mW / cm2 for the red light at a distance of 1–10 cm from the light source.

The radiant fluences, or doses, during a single treatment for 20 minutes were 48 and 96 J/cm2 for the blue and red treatment heads, respectively alternating blue (415 nm) and red (633 nm) light.

The treatment was performed twice a week for four weeks:

   

  https://http://www.huidzaak.nl/publicaties/acne/127%20Lee%20et%20al-Blue%20and%20red%20light%20combination%20LED%20phototherapy%20for%20acne%20vulgaris%20in%20patients%20with%20skin%20phototype%20IV.pdf

   

  Combination blue (415 nm) and red (633 nm) LED phototherapy in the treatment of mild to severe acne vulgaris

   

  Subjects were treated in eight sessions, two per week, 3 days apart, alternating between 415 nm blue light (20 minutes per session, 48 J/cm2) and 633 nm red light (20 minutes per session, 96 J/cm2) from a light-emitting diode (LED)-based therapy system.

   

  https://http://www.skinandlasers.com/asp/UpLoad/publication/Combination%20Blue%20and%20Red%20LED%20phototherapy%20in%20the%20treatment%20o.pdf

   

   

  A study to determine the efficacy of combination LED light therapy (633 nm and 830 nm) in facial skin rejuvenation:

   

  https://http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16414908

   

  The treatments combined wavelengths of 633 nm and 830 nm with fluences of 126 J/cm2 and 66 J/cm2.

   

  As you see, the small "home" treatment devices have an output that is really much to small to achieve the results they speak of in clinical trials. Unless there emerges evidence that those devices work better than for example equivalent bursts of sun exposure, I would stick to micro-needling.

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Autologous blood injection is a method of using the body's own cells to help repair scars. It is effective if repeatedly done.

   Blood is taken from the patient and immediately reinjected precisely into acne/atrophic scars. This procedure is repeated every month until improvement is achieved. Sometimes the blood is centrifuged and platelet-rich plasma is used (this method is more expensive). The resulting hematoma stimulates the extracellular matrix repair. A hematoma is a signal for the body that there is damage and it has to be fixed. Blood has valuable components such as growth factors, peripheral blood stem cells and other cells essential for cellular regulation and repair.

   The blood is injected into the scar and either it is left alone or the hematoma is used as a target for a vascular laser or IPL.  Lasers, in skin treatment work because some skin structures strongly absorb certain wavelengths of light. This light energy is converted to heat, which causes damage to the targeted cells without damaging the surrounding tissue.

Laser treatment for hair reduction targets Melanin in the hair follicle, vascular laser targets Oxyhemoglobin in red blood cells. Treating the hematoma with a vascular laser heats up the scar and further stimulates the remodeling of tissue.

   

Sometimes a subcision is performed prior to injecting the blood. Subcison is a method where a syringe is placed horizontally underneath the scar and moved in order to sever the fibrous bands that are holding the scar down. Subcision also provides a pocket for the injected blood so that more blood can be injected.

(Rolling and especially needling functions as a vertical subcision. It cuts the fibrous septae and severs the scar's deep attachments)

   

The advantage of this procedure is that it is easy to perfom, does not cost much in materials and the results should be long-lasting. Since the blood injected is the patient's own, there is no risk of an allergic reaction.

   

Other autologous fillers have been used for skin augmentation – own fat, own collagen, own fibroblasts etc. They are safe and effective but in comparison to blood injections they are much more expensive.

    Synthetic fillers, especially long lasting ones, carry a risk of granuloma formation.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Saline injections for acne scars
« on: September 06, 2010, 01:59:54 PM »
> I've been looking into saline injection combined with needling to help

  > with scarring and acne pitting

  > I just wondered if you knew anything about this and how to go about

  > the procedure It seems

  > to work for these people. A combination of breaking down the collagen

  > and lifting the skin using

  > saline. Is this feasible Sarah? I'm not sure.

  This is definitely feasible and it works. Not for everybody though. As far  as I remember you had scars on your nose? Or wasn't it you? Sorry - I get so many emails that I do remember the stories but cannot connect them to names after a while. I don't think that it would work well on the nose. The nose is mainly made of cartilage and is not so easy to be "puffed up". You can always try though.

   

  A horizontal subcision of an acne scar with a syringe is performed to cut up the fibrous bands that are holding the scar down. Then bacteriostatic saline solution of NaCl + H2O ( for sale OTC in pharmacies) is injected with force into the acne scar. There is usually a little swelling after the injection for several minutes. A saline solution is not a filler - It will get absorbed within a day or days. The scar might be flat for some time but it will subside.

   

  A saline solution very temporarily puffs the scar up and further stretches the fibrous bands. Stretching the bands should make the scar slightly less indented.

   

  It also triggers collagen production - missing collagen is another contributor to the indentation of the scar.

   

  6-8 treatments are normally required to get results and the results are not immediate. It can take months. A saline solution is not perceived as foreign to the body so there is no risk of an allergic reaction.

   

  I recommend needling the scar with our single needle for a few weeks prior to the saline injections. Rolling and especially needling effectively functions as a vertical subcision. It cuts the fibrous septae and severs the scar's deep attachments.

It will also crush the hardened collagen fibers and increases the likelihood of success with the saline. Some people have good results and some don't.

   

  Some acne-afflicted just inject a saline solution (without subcision) into their scars and some obtain a slight improvement. It works better for wide scars.

   

  You can buy saline solution in the pharmacy. They also should have 30G diabetic needles.

   

  With a little bit of dexterity you can perform this procedure upon yourself. Don't forget to first remove any air from the syringe before you inject it into the skin.

   

  Some dermatologists perform this procedure. Probably advisable.

Other interesting methods:

https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/Subcision-suction-method-for-acne-scar

https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/Autologous-(own)-blood-injection-for-acne-scars-or-atrophic-scars

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>Good day!

  >My name is [deleted], I'm 22 years old from Beirut, Lebanon.

  >Throughout the last year, I have lost about 20 kgs in 3 months, and as a

  >result i got stretchmarks on my upper arms, thighs, breasts,a nd hips.

  >I wanted to undergo the original 1.5 mm dermaroller treatment by a

  >doctor, but ifound it extremely expensive.

>After researching, i came across your website.

  >I'm very interested in buying your dermaroller kit. However, something is

  >really confusing me.

  >On the original dermaroller website,medical doctors saidthat 3-4 rolling

  >sessions 6 weeks apart

  >would result in at least 70%improvement in stretchmarks.

  >In your website,you said that improvement cannot be noticeable until a year or so.You didn't provide any cumulative percentage for the improvement.

  >Can you please inform me regarding my expectations, especially that i want

  >to get married next Fall,and i really would like to wear a strapless >wedding dress. So I hope your dermaroller would be helping me in this.

   

   

  Hi [deleted],

   

  Sorry for my delayed answer. I was on holidays.

   

  First of all, congratulations with you wedding and with your weight loss (provided it was intended). You must be a pretty girl.

   

  The problem with stretch marks is that they go through the entire epidermis and most of the dermis, which is quite deep. Stretch marks are cracks in the skin, filled with scar tissue. There is currently no method that can totally remove stretch marks. If somebody tells you so, he is lying :-)

   

  A dermaroller in combination with single needling can dramatically improve the stretch marks but it cannot remove them. The extend of improvement is highly individual and such claims that ALL customers will always achieve at least 70% improvement are totally unsubstantiated so they're simply a marketing trick. They are lies. At least 70% improvement means that the stretch marks are almost gone in all their customers. That is totally impossible.

   

  Some of our customers achieved very good results. The stretch marks are still there but much less visible, their texture improved and they blended more with the surrounding skin - color-wise. Some customers achieved an improvement very quickly (2 months), some much later and some none at all.

   

  This is our most successful stretch mark improvement customer:

   

  https://http://www.owndoc.com/stretchmarks/stretchmarks-single-needle-before-and-after/

   

  It means that such improvement is possible but it doesn't mean that everybody achieves it. You have to do your best to achieve it and you might succeed but I cannot make promises because nobody knows why it works with some people and with some it doesn't. The same with laser, acid peels, facelifts etc. Not everybody achieves the same level of improvement.

   

  If you want me to promise you that by this fall, your stretch marks will be 70% improved with a dermaroller - well I can't so in that case it's better not to buy from us. I prefer to be honest and say you may achieve results pretty soon but usually it is not that easy and lots of perseverance and patience is needed.

   

  Is the color of your stretch marks red or white?

   

  The only way to quickly achieve improvement for your wedding day is to roll the stretchmarks just before it. The skin usually remains red for one day and it makes the stretchmarks temporarily less visible. This is not a permanent improvement - this is just a temporary inflammation that makes the skin bit red.

   

  You would of course have to try it for a long time prior to the wedding and find out how your skin reacts. If the stretch marks indeed do look less visible for 24 hours or if it actually makes them more pronounced etc. You would have to experiment a little.

   

  If you want a permanent improvement, you will have to be patient and keep on rolling with 1.5 mm + single-needling + using vit. C serum.

   

  Sorry that I do not have better news for you..

   

  Best regards,

  Sarah

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Skin thickness
« on: July 21, 2010, 11:55:45 AM »
> I just ordered your starter pack with the 2mm roller. I read through the

  > information and was wondering what skin is thick enough for this length?



  > I'm primarily using this for acne scars on my chest, back, and upper arms

  > (keratosis pilaris).  I am also a male, so I know this helps as far as

  > thickness goes. These areas should all be fine, right?

   

  The thickest skin (epidermis and dermis) is (apart from foot soles and hand palms) found on the back. All your other intended areas are also quite thick.

 

  The thinnest skin is on the upper and lower eyelids (0.3-0.5 mm). Relatively thin is the skin on the top of the collar bones, in the groin and in the armpits. The neck has usually thinner skin than the face. The face doesn't have the same thickness either. The centre of the forehead is thicker than the sides, the chin is thicker than the cheeks etc. It can vary with age and it varies individually as well.

 

  A 2 mm roller doesn't penetrate the full 2 mm into the skin. Males have usually thicker skin as you mentioned. If you were a woman, I'd recommend using a 1.5 mm roller instead. You can control the penetration of the needles by putting more or less pressure on the roller.

 

Getting pinpoint bleeding is normal and OK.

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