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Infadolan is a medical grade, regenerative, protective ointment with vitamins A+D and Lanolin. There are several reasons why we chose INFADOLAN.

First of all some other A+D ointments contain Zinc oxide, which is a mild astringent. An astringent is a chemical substance that shrinks and constricts body tissues. Zinc oxide acts as a skin-drying agent and can act as a skin anti-inflammatory. Astringents cause mild coagulation of skin proteins and that causes the skin to dry up. Zinc's "drying" properties are very beneficial in treating diaper rash, oily skin with acne or any other skin condition where drying the skin is desirable. Zinc oxide is also an excellent sun protection because it reflects the UV rays.

After dermarolling though, the "open" skin should be kept as moisturized as possible and that's why substances with astringent and dessicating (drying) properties are not suitable. Secondly, some A + D ointments contain a strong antinflammatory ingredient and which should not be put on your skin after rolling. The reason is that the dermaroller basically causes a mild, controlled inflammation of your skin, that inflammation triggers certain responses in the skin such as collagen induction and that's why a mild inflammation is desirable and should not be suppressed with strong anti inflammatory ingredients. The third reason is that Infadolan contains Lanolin, which is a very good occlusive and an outstanding moisturizer. It is especially useful to occlude the scars with an occlusive ointment after dermarolling scars, to postpone peeling. For reasons we do not fully understand, the occlusion of the scars has been proven to be beneficial in medical trials.

Our ointment contains natural Lanolin. The Lanolin carries the vit. D into the skin. The forth reason was that our ointment contains a high enough percentage of vit. A to have a therapeutic effect and that vit. A is there in the form that doesn't irritate the skin when the skin is "open". Infadolan is therefore used to treat first degree burns. Ordinary "Retin A" (Retinoic Acid) is not a good way to bring vit. A into open skin, because it is acidic. Infadolan contains Retinol Acetate, which is a non-acidic form of vit. A that does not "burn" the skin. The Retinoic acetate is slowly converted to Retinoic acid inside the skin. This process is much better for "open" skin than applying Retinoic acid directly. Infadolan's ingredients: Retinol acetate: 48 000 IU in 30 g Vit. D2: 9 000 IU in 30 g The ointment base is white wax, natural lanolin and white Vaseline.

Some people have reservations about using Lanolin or Vaseline, but all we can say that Lanolin is God's/evolution's ultimate natural skin care product and that it, as well as vaseline, are excellent occlusives. Occlusives prevent natural skin moisture from escaping. This moisture is essential for the healing process after dermarolling. Vaseline is not "made of gasoline" - Vaseline is just as natural as the oil that comes out of the ground. Vaseline is made of oil, and oil is widely assumed to be made of ancient dead sea organisms. Contrary to what some believe, Lanolin allergy does not exist at all or occurs at most in one in a hundred thousand people. Sometimes the good old skin products really still are the best. No need for gimmicks here. This cream is prescribed for first degree burns in its country of origin, the Czech Republic. If we knew a better ointment, we would sell that one. The issue is that it has to be an ointment (= having an oil basis, to prevent the tissue in the skin from getting micro-damaged due to oxygen exposure and drying out. That would interfere with optimal collagen/elastin formation). This ointment is so far the very best we managed to find, with no reported issues - on the contrary, people like the soothing coolness without subsequent irritation. The only drawback is the oiliness, but if you want to be pretty, you have to suffer.. The key is to use very little. As it is oil-based, you need very much less than if it were a cream.

A skin needled with long needles should be treated with caution. You should not use anything that can easily become bacterially contaminated, such as a jar that you had repeatedly put fingers in, etc. Infadolan is in a tube and that ensures no bacterial contamination. Infadolan contains no alcohol and no parabens.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / When and how often to use vitamin C?
« on: January 21, 2010, 05:48:24 PM »
> I don't understand regarding the Vit C intake- the frequency to use it

  > while I am rolling? Everyday in the morning, perhaps?

   

      Vitamin C stays in your skin for up to 70 hours so you do not have to apply it every day. You can apply it ever other day.  You can even try to apply vit. C serum after rolling with a 0.2 mm dermaroller but do it only if it is not irritating your skin. Vit. C is very good for the skin but it is an acid and if your vit. C solution ("serum") is of a high concentration then it can irritate the skin. You have to try. Before rolling with a 1.5 mm dermaroller, apply vit. C for three consecutive days to achieve maximum concentration. You can even apply a few hours before rolling.



Vit. C is light sensitive an should be applied in the evening.


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> You mentioned in your reading material-not to use a dermaroller on the scars

  > that your recently pricked with a single needle- but you also encourage

  > the usage of both.  What would be a good schedule for me- how long should I

  > wait before using the single needle?  Or since the area of concern is so

  > small-should I avoid the dermaroller on that area completely and just

  > stick to using the single needle monthly?

   

        If you are using a 0.5 mm roller you can roll twice a week, even the scars that were recently single-needled. Do not use a dermaroller if you still have scabs from needling. Do not pick on the scabs - it could cause scarring. Let them fall off naturally.

     It is not necessary to roll on a scar that was recently needled with a single needle. Unless you want to use it for product-penetration into the scar.

   

    It is different if you have a large area covered with stretchmarks, for example. There you should regularly roll the entire area with a dermaroller, but use a single needle only on the stretchmarks.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Can't find proper disinfection alcohol?
« on: January 21, 2010, 05:40:44 PM »
> I could not find disinfectant with around 75% ethanol.

> most of them were much lower then that.. and the ones

> i found were either creams or gels..what shall I do???

To disinfect the skin, you can use Betadine liquid or cream (containing Povidone-iodine).Wash the Betadine off with tap water  before you roll and don’t forget to clean your hands with soap before you touch  your face. Do not use Betadine if pregnant or breastfeeding. Betadine is for sale in Pharmacies as well  as online.

You can also use Chlorhexidine (around 2%).

   

 To disinfect the roller or the skin, buy ethyl  rubbing alcohol (ethanol  = ethyl alcohol):

In the US



http://aarp.walgreens.com/store/catalog/Antiseptics/Apothecary-Ethyl-Rubbing-Alcohol/ID=prod475&navCount=0&navAction=push-product

http://www.familymeds.com/p-20123-goodsense-ethyl-rubbing-alcohol-70-16-oz.aspx?affiliateID=10068

http://www.discountwholesaleonline.com/product.cfm/hurl/Vitamins-Nutritional-Items/House-Hold-Items/WETS-AND-DRYS/LAVACOLALCOHOLUNSCENTED.html

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&q=70%25+ethanol+rubbing+alcohol&sqi=2&cid=5987156484765441618#p

http://www.amazon.com/ALCOHOL-ETHYL-RUBBING-HUMCO-16OZ/dp/B003085T6Y

In the UK

http://www.criticalenvironmentsolutions.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=9917900

Microzone

  70% Ethanol solution

·    It consists of a solution of ethanol in deionised water - a standard disinfecting solution in bioclean rooms.

  ·    It is manufactured with high quality ethanol to ensure excellent performance and the minimum hazard to health.

http://www.elexind.it/Eng/Ambienti/Ambienti_prod1cf.htm

               MICROZONE™ Liquid 70% Ethanol Disinfectant Solution contains ethanol and purified water. Excellent for disinfection of dermarollers.

 

In Australia

https://www.medshop.com.au/products/whiteley-microl-70-ethanol-filtered-to-0-2-micron-500ml-2.html

 Do not use disinfection containing more than 80% alcohol  because it evaporates too quickly and as such doesn’t have time to disinfect the  skin properly. You can buy it but dilute it with water. It should be between 50% and 80%. Alcohols are most effective when combined with water to facilitate diffusion through the cell membrane; 100% alcohol typically denatures only external membrane proteins.

   

                       Do not reuse the alcohol used to sterilize the roller with. Pour some alcohol into a container, dip the roller into it and then discard the alcohol.

     

Concerning isopropyl alcohol:

I think it is better to use isopropyl alcohol in combination with ethanol.

We have two customers who soaked their roller in 70% isopropyl bought in a dollar store and their roller got loose needles (isopropyl is a solvent).

Other customers who used isopropyl did not experience this problem but I am not sure what percentage they used.

As a test, we soaked our dermaroller for 48 hours in 45% ethanol and 30% isopropyl without any problems whatsoever.

   



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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Rolling knees and elbows
« on: January 20, 2010, 04:40:10 PM »
> Just to say thank you for my products that arrived today. Also to ask how

  > much benefit would I get on my knees and elbows and which derma roller

  > would you suggest, if affective on theses areas? I'm 54 years old.

       

            If the skin on your knees and elbows is mildly lax or has a wrinkly texture, then you could derive some benefit from rolling it. Nevertheless - do not expect miraculous or quick results. You should dry brush those areas regularly. Brush until the skin turns red. Before dermarolling these areas you should do several mechanical peelings because the skin on those areas is usually tough. Just take some salt or sugar, mix it with olive oil and massage/scrub the skin of your elbows and knees with it.  Do it several times a week and apply your homemade vit. C serum.

      Have a hot bath before rolling to make the skin softer and don't forget to stretch your skin with the other hand when rolling because it makes needle penetration easier.

   

  If you have energy for some exercises to tone the muscles on your upper arms

  and legs, that will  help too.

   

    If your skin is sagging due to excessive skin - a dermaroller cannot fix that.

   

    Skin laxity always needs longer needles: 1.5 mm because you must reach the lower skin layer, the dermis.

   

  If rolling is too painful for you, use an ice pack or buy a numbing cream such as EMLA and use it according to the instructions.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Can dermarolling tighten the skin?
« on: January 20, 2010, 04:35:16 PM »
Yes, but only if the skin texture is a bit lax.  It takes a long time of repeated rolling to achieve results though.

A 1.5 mm dermaroller is required.

        If the skin sagging is caused by receding fat due to aging - because as we age we lose subcutaneous fat - a dermaroller cannot fix it. You'd need fillers (Restylan etc.) to be injected by a doctor into the hollow areas where the fat is missing - such as under the eyes etc.

                                                 

  If you have a lot of excessive skin due to weight loss for ex. and that is why the skin is significantly sagging, dermarolling unfortunately can not improve this.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Dermarolling on the upper lip
« on: January 20, 2010, 03:23:03 PM »
> Is your dermaroller safe to use on wrinkles on the upper lip?

   

    Yes. The only place that a dermaroller cannot be used is the upper eyelid area.

   

  But you have to be careful if you are very prone to cold sores on your lips.

  Then you should take antivirals for a couple of days prior to pricking and couple of days afterwards. Don’t prick the lip itself - prick just the skin above it.

   

  > I have some pretty deep wrinkles above my upper lip.  How effective would dermarolling be?

 

    You can't expect them to disappear completely but they should get shallower if you repeatedly use a 1.5 mm dermaroller or a 1.5 mm dermastamp on them. Deep wrinkles need long needles of 1.5 mm.

   

 Or use our single needle, and every month make several pricks into your wrinkles. That will trigger new collagen growth in them. You will get some tiny pinpoint bleeding with a single needle. That’s OK - just wipe it off with disinfection alcohol.

          A single needle can specifically target those individual wrinkles much more precisely than a dermaroller can. The area above the lip is extremely sensitive though and it will be painful. You can use some numbing cream such as EMLA and use it according to instructions. Or numb with a small icepack. Buy Xylocaine numbing cream here.

   

  Our instructions how to use a single needle are here:

  http://dermaroller.owndoc.com/dermaroller-instructions.pdf

        You use it the same way as for acne scars. But be patient, don’t expect results too soon. The results with needling are permanent though. It will trigger your own new collagen. Your skin will of course continue to age so those wrinkles will form again and you'll have to use the single needle/dermaroller again. It cannot stop aging or prevent the forming of wrinkles! It just improves existing wrinkles and other skin aging problems.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Using makeup after dermarolling
« on: January 20, 2010, 03:12:38 PM »
> Sarah- just received my dermaroller and am excited to start my monthly

    > dermarolling. I am trying to do everything "by the book" but had to ask

> (since I work public)  if you thought it would be okay to wear the "bare

    > minerals powder" or if I indeed do not need to apply any makeup for 3

> days after dermarolling.

   

    It depends on what size of dermaroller you have bought.

   

    If you are using 0.2 or 0.25 mm long needles for skin product absorption enhancement then you can apply makeup an hour later. The purpose of the 0.2 mm dermaroller is to make the skin temporarily much more permeable for some beneficial skin products such as vitamin creams etc.  Its not your makeup that you want to bring deep into your skin but certain nourishing skin products.  Shallow holes made by a 0.2 mm dermaroller will close completely within say a quarter of an hour - when they have closed you can apply makeup.

   

  After using 0.5 mm long needles you can apply makeup the next morning.

   

      1.0 mm long needles will go into deeper layers of skin, such as the upper dermis and these pricks will trigger new collagen production. Because of this depth, you should wait until it heals before you apply makeup. You should wait at least 24 hours.

   

      A 1.5 mm dermaroller goes into even deeper layers of skin, such as the lower dermis. If you roll quite densely, it will take at least two days for the skin to heal and lose its redness completely. For 24 hours after rolling with 1.5 mm, your skin will look mildly sunburnt, the second day the skin is still bit reddish and then it goes back to normal.

    Micro-injuring the skin with needles causes massive collagen production but I would not recommend any makeup being applied to those micro-wounds for the first couple of days. If you roll on Friday evening, you can apply make up on Monday morning or if you desperately need it then on Sunday morning.

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You should use a 1.5 mm dermaroller on your face. 1,5 mm long needles will reach the dermis - the deep skin layer where  new collagen production is triggered.

   

        The skin on the neck and under the eyes is quite thin. I recommend a shorter needle dermaroller of 0.5 or 1 mm. Alternatively, you can use 1.5 mm on your neck or under the eyes but do not push the needles in too much.

       

            Please be careful under your eyes. Do not roll directly under your eyes but a bit more down where there is bone underneath. When you feel your skin directly under your eyes, it is very soft and when you go a bit further you can feel the bone. You start rolling where the bone begins.

   

    Never roll your upper eyelids! That is the only area where a dermaroller can never be used.

 

          The skin around the lips is super-sensitive and rolling it may be too painful for you. You can either numb it with ice or you can buy a numbing cream such as EMLA.

                      Individual deep wrinkles such as frown lines between your eyebrows, on your forehead or around your lips can be treated with our special single needle.  Make a couple of pricks in the wrinkle every month.  It will take a long time to make the wrinkle shallower but the results are permanent. The skin will continue aging of course and new wrinkles will appear but pricking the skin with needles will trigger your own collagen production and that collagen stays. Contrary to fillers such as Restylane that people get injected by a doctor to fill their wrinkles. Those fillers have an immediate effect but our body slowly eliminates it. You have to have it re-injected regularly.

          If you trigger your own collagen, it will remain for a very long time. Nevertheless: You can't expect that a dermaroller is equivalent to a facelift. It is not. It can improve skin texture, improve wrinkles to a certain extent and can slightly improve skin laxity.  If there is a lot of excessive skin, it needs a facelift.

         

You may notice some "hollow" places on your face caused by receding fat- as we age we are loosing fat from our skin. A dermaroller cannot fix this. In that case you would really need some fillers to be injected  into those areas where the fat has gone missing - such as under the eyes etc.

     

  Have a look at our detailed dermarolling instructions:

  http://dermaroller.owndoc.com/dermaroller-instructions.pdf

   

  Do not expect results too soon. Collagen production is a very slow process that takes months.

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This is about using a dermaroller to cause a controlled micro-injury of the scalp to promote hair growth. This method is still at an early experimental stage.  Dermarolling also increases blood flow to the hair follicles. The easiest way to roll the scalp is to roll in one direction only. Direction from the hair roots to the hair ends.

 

Yet there are promising indications:

                  "The latest research by Intercytex, performed with Dr. Bessam Farjo as principal investigator, has shown that patients receiving superficial injections grow new hair, which may solely be a result of the controlled skin wounding itself. This surprising result is correlated by the pioneering work published by Dr. George Cotsarelis of Pennsylvania University, who found that stimulation of the Wnt protein by wounding leads to hair regeneration. Wounding by microneedles would potentially start this Wnt protein mediated growth stimulation, and prevent synthesis of TGF-?2, a protein known to induce hair loss."

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/may07/hair-follicle-regeneration.html

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Rolling Minoxidil into the scalp
« on: January 20, 2010, 01:51:55 PM »
You can use a 0.2 or a 0.5 mm regular dermaroller to enhance the absorption of Minoxidil.  Just roll over your scalp and immediately apply Minoxidil. Those tiny needles will temporarily create "channels" in your scalp and the skin will become temporarily much more permeable to the Minoxidil. Those channels will close within at most half an hour, twenty minutes so speed is of the essence.

Please be careful!

A dermaroller significantly enhances the absorption of any skin products.

Minoxidil can have quite serious side effects when overdosed. If you use a dermaroller, don't apply too much Minoxidil on your scalp. At least not in the beginning. When you don't experience side effects, you can slowly use more Minoxidil. But start with just a little bit and then slowly increase if you feel fine. Carefully read the Minoxidil instructions and inform yourself of possible side effects.  Most people experience no side effects but some do and they have to stop using it or use lower concentrations.

When you stop using Minoxidil, your hair will return to its original pre-Minoxidil state. So you should keep using it.

Related forum posting:

http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/dermarolling-to-promote-hair-growth-(without-minoxidil)/

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Using acidic products after rolling
« on: January 20, 2010, 01:43:00 PM »
People have been asking about the difference between our vit. A & D ointment and Retin A. Our ointment contains Retinol Acetate instead of Retin A (containing Retinoic Acid).

You can use Retin A but I would not recommend it right after the rolling or even some days later. Retin A is too acidic to be used on "open" or newly regenerating skin. Retinol Acetate brings just as much vitamin A into the skin as Retinoic Acid does, without the damage of the acid.

   

  Vitamin C is essential as is vit. A. You should make homemade vit. C serum according to our instructions and regularly use it on your skin. Vit. C stays in the skin for up to 70 hours so you don't have to do it every day.

   

  Don't put vit. C on your skin just after rolling with long needles because vit. C is acidic. You should use vit. C on the days before you roll and you can restart when the skin rolled with 1.5 mm is completely healed.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Dermarolling around the eyes
« on: January 20, 2010, 10:42:50 AM »
Can I use a 1.5 mm roller around the eyes?

Yes, if you are experienced in dermarolling.

I personally wouldn't recommend a complete beginner to use 1.5 mm long needles on thin skin around the eyes. I would prefer to stay on the safe side. Safer is 1.0 mm or even 0.5 mm. Before you start around your eyes, definitely try the dermaroller on a safer part of your body so that you get used to it and get the hang of it.

 
When you put your finger under your eye, you'll feel a bone. Do not roll closer to your eye than where that bone is. Pull/stretch your skin downwards from the eye with your other hand and roll it with the other.   

Please read my posting (mine is #2):   
http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/can-i-use-a-dermaroller-on-this-area-under-the-eye-(pic-included)/



The best for wrinkles and crepey skin is to use a 0.2 mm dermaroller for skin product penetration. Dermarollers  shorter than 0.5 mm do not trigger collagen because they do not reach the dermis but it significantly enhances the penetration of skin products into the skin. In that case, you can use any of your skin products, even a product with anti-inflammatory ingredients because 0.2 needles don't cause the inflammation that triggers collagen production. You need longer needles for that.

   

A 0.2 mm  dermaroller is extremely useful though because it will make your skin product "sink" deep into your skin where it is needed.

   

Don't forget to thoroughly clean the dermaroller with dishwashing liquid every time and soak it in disinfection alcohol every now and then.

   

  Then once in 4 weeks, you can roll with 1.5 mm needles around your eyes and that should trigger collagen production. Then put a very small amount of our vit. A & D ointment on it immediately after dermrolling and for around 10 days after that. The ointment is very greasy but it has to be - both vit. A and D are fat-soluble vitamins and it also should be occlusive). Use a tiny little bit, you shouldn't apply a thick layer.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Dermarolling on dry skin
« on: January 20, 2010, 10:32:04 AM »
Dermarolling on dry skin is no problem. But be aware that for some days after dermarolling, the protective skin layer is compromised and the skin is even drier than normal. The skin will even peel. The skin will revert to normal when it heals and collagen will continue to be produced.

   

  Directly after dermaroling and for approx. ten days afterwards, use our regenerative vit. A & D ointment.

   

  This ointment is very greasy but it has to be, both vit. A and D are fat-soluble vitamins and the ointment should be occlusive (preventing air from reaching the skin). This will prevent the drying out of the skin. Use a little bit, you don't have to apply a thick layer at all.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Dermarolling on skin with eczema
« on: January 20, 2010, 10:23:54 AM »
In principle, a dermaroller can only be used on healthy skin. Stretch marks are an aesthetic problem but they are not an illness or a disease. However, a skin that has some kind of medical problem such as eczema should not be rolled. You'll want to avoid rolling any eczema deeply into your skin. Therefore, only roll when your skin is eczema-free.

   

  Alternatively you can use our single needle. That needle is used only on stretch marks and not on any surrounding skin. It is a laborious job but it's worth it in the end.

   

  Nevertheless, not even a single needle should be used on skin areas with active acne, fungal infection, eczema etc.

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