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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Questions about your vit. A D ointment Infadolan

« on: February 23, 2011, 04:20:06 PM »

You can close it with a bit of plastic foil (food wrap etc.) and a rubber band. It will be perfectly OK. No need to buy a replacement.

  Infadolan is an excellent moisturizer. You do not have to apply an additional moisturizer but if you want to, apply a moisturizer first and Infadolan on top of it.

   You must apply a sunscreen because Infadolan doesn't contain any sunscreen (UV filters or reflective agents).

  First apply a sunscreen and then Infadolan on top. (If you forget to apply the sunscreen first then apply it on top of the Infadolan).

   I think Infadolan is too oily to be used daily on the whole face  (unless right after dermarolling with long needles and several days after) but it is very suitable to use it daily on dry parts of the face (around the eyes and on the lips) and on the back of the hands.

Infadolan would block the ingredients in water-based cremes.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Best Skin Care Routine

« on: February 16, 2011, 09:24:10 AM »

First of all, the more is not always the better. Do not overdo it, especially when you are still young. It also depends what you are trying to fix or achieve.

Dermarolling frequency: Twice a week with a 0.5 and once every 3-4 weeks with a 1.5 mm derma roller.

 Vit.C            remains in the skin for several days (it has about 4 days tissue half-life) so applying it twice or three times a week is sufficient. Do not apply it immediately after dermarolling with long needles. Vit. C (ascorbic acid) is acidic so it would sting. However if you roll with short needles for product penetration (0.5 mm or shorter) and can handle a little stinging, you can apply it right after dermarolling ( it will greatly enhance vit. C penetration), provided it doesn’t irritate your skin too much (add more water if it is irritating). Do a test patch first to find out how your skin reacts. Be careful on your face (add more water).

Apply vit. C in the evening since it is sensitive to sunlight. Wash it off in the morning.



 Before rolling with a 1.5 mm dermaroller, apply vit. C for three consecutive days to achieve maximum concentration. After rolling with a 1.5 mm dermaroller, wait at least two days before restarting to apply vit. C.

 

A copper peptide mask can be applied after dermarolling, nevertheless some of our customers also experience stinging from the mask when applied right after rolling with a 1.5 mm dermaroller (some didn't experience stinging - neither did I) so they prefer to apply it on the days when they don't roll or apply it right after rolling with shorter needles or an hour later or so. You have to try. Do a test patch on a small area.

  Do not apply vit. C and copper peptides on the same day.

Retin A ( Tretinoin= Retinoic acid) is also acidic. You should not apply it right after dermarolling. Application twice or three times a week is sufficient. (In some cases I do recommend applying it right after dermarolling - such as on individual stubborn stretch marks or scars). If you are young and you have no acne, pigmentation or scars, there is no reason to apply A-Ret on your skin. Apply it in the evening since it is sensitive to sunlight.



Infadolan is a protective, regenerative ointment with vitamins. It should be applied immediately after rolling (apply just a little).  Infadolan is for dermarolling after-care and it is in general not suitable to be used as an ordinary daily cream on the entire face because it is oily. However it is very useful to apply Infadoan daily just around your eyes, on the back of your hands and on your lips.

  Here are some tips pertaining the copper peptide mask (collected from several of my postings elsewhere):

  "When I use a copper peptide mask, there is always some liquid left in the sachet. I close it with paper clips, put it in the fridge and use the remaining liquids later. The mask's plastic layer can be removed because it is originally intended for use on closed skin. On "open", dermarolled skin, occlusion won't be necessary for extra penetration.

There is enough liquid in the mask to serve you multiple times. Cut off a piece of the mask with scissors and smear it all over your face or other area. Put the rest of the mask back. Close it with a paper clip, the next day or some days later cut another piece off the mask and smear it again on your area.  If there are liquids left in the sachet use them as well. The mask  has a high concentration of copper peptides".

(The masks aren't watery anymore because we've asked the manufacturer to address that issue.The fragrance is also less.)

  An example of a daily routine for acne prone, scarred, pigmented or aged/damaged skin (the routine can be  altered according to your preferences):

Monday: Infadolan around the eyes and your daily cream on the face in the morning. Vit. C in the evening.

Tuesday: Infadolan around the eyes and your daily cream on the face in the morning, dermarolling with a 0.5 mm, copper peptides after dermarolling.



Wednesday: Infadolan around the eye and your daily cream on the face in the morning. A-Ret in the evening.

Thursday: Infadolan around the eyesand your daily cream on the face in the morning. Vit.C in the evening.

Friday: Infadolan around the eyes and your daily cream on the face in the morning, dermarolling with a 0.5 mm, copper peptides after dermarolling.



Saturday: Infadolan around the eyes and your daily cream on the face in the morning. A-Ret in the evening.

Sunday: Infadolan around the eyes and your daily cream on the face in the morning. Vit.C in the evening.

Once in 3-4 weeks: Vit. C for three consecutive days, dermarolling with a 1.5 mm dermaroller, Infadolan right after dermarolling and a couple of days more (if it doesn’t make you break out.)

  If you skin peels too much, reduce the frequency of vit. C, A-Ret and dermarolling and apply a heavier daily cream.

Another example:

   Monday: Infadolan around the eyes and your daily cream on the face in the morning.  In the evening: dermarolling with a 0.2 mm dermaroller, apply vit. C immediately after (if it is too irritating, add more water to your vit. C serum).

 

  Tuesday: Infadolan around the eyes and your daily cream on the face in the morning.

 

  Wednesday: Infadolan around the eye and your daily cream on the face in the morning. A-Ret in the evening.

Thursday: Infadolan around the eyes and your daily cream on the face in the morning. In the evening: dermarolling with a 0.2 mm dermaroller, apply vit. C immediately after .

 

Friday: Infadolan around the eyes and your daily cream on the face in the morning.

 

Saturday: Infadolan around the eyes and your daily cream on the face in the morning. A-Ret in the evening.

Sunday: Infadolan around the eyes and your daily cream on the face in the morning. In the evening: dermarolling with a 0.2 mm dermaroller, apply vit. C immediately after.

 

Once in 3-4 weeks: Vit. C for three consecutive days, dermarolling with a 1.5 mm dermaroller, Infadolan right after dermarolling and a couple of days more (if it doesn’t make you break out).

If you skin peels too much, reduce the frequency of vit. C, A-Ret and dermarolling and apply a heavier daily cream.

 

 

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Can rolling with a 1.5mm every 6-8 weeks still be effective?

« on: February 16, 2011, 04:33:10 AM »

Dear Zoe,

No - on the contrary. 6 to 8 weeks is in some ways better than 3 to 4 weeks interval. The full process of collagen remodeling takes roughly 3 months. There is however no full concensus amongst experts on what the perfect interval is, but it is clear that collagen is not fully remodeled after 3 to 4 weeks. Some dermatologists use less than 3 weeks with a 1.5 mm roller and some use a month. If you want to be on the safest side possible and still have the full benefits of dermarolling, then your proposed interval is a good choice. The worst that can happen is that progress will be slower, but it is also possible that progress is just as fast, with, in the long term, even better results. It's not an exact science yet.

The problem we experienced is that our competitors have no interest in, or knowledge of microneedling and skin care. None of them, not a single dermaroller seller understands dermarolling. These people are 24 year old Hong Kong Chinese guys who became agents for a producer because they speak English. They recommend rolling twice a week with a 1.5 mm dermaroller not because it is a good idea, but because they want to sell many rollers - a roller blunts a little with every use so the more often you roll, the more money they make.

Do not trust anyone selling dermarollers, or endorsing a brand, or linking to dermarollers, or offering a dermarolling service etc. to tell you how often to roll!

We were initially not even believed by our own customers when we said that the best interval is around one month. We were inundated with incredulous questions. That's how harmful commercial propaganda can be, because it really is a bad idea to roll too often with long needles.

We are also commercial but we are in it for the long term. We want our customers to spread the word on how trustworthy we are in our advice, so that we will slowly but surely grow. The young Chinese guys are only interested in a quick buck. We don't need to - we both are pensioners and we never worry about money. So here, we'll try to get you real advice, not advice that yields us a few more sales.

So, whatever your reason you may have for a 6-8 week interval with 1.5 mm needles: No problem at all. If you want to be extra careful and you don't care about how long it takes to get results, but you want the best results achievable, go for a longer interval rather than shorter. Most customers are begging us to give them the goahead for shorter intervals..

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / single needling, dermarolling, frequency, etc

« on: February 02, 2011, 04:46:27 AM »

Yes it is OK.  Using a dermaroller on the entire area (scars + surrounding skin) and needling the scars only is the best approach for scars. You can perform it all the same day or needle just couple of scars/stretchmarks every day or so. Whatever suits you better. Patience is all you need.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / single needling, dermarolling, frequency, etc

« on: January 30, 2011, 04:26:19 PM »

Yes - I have changed it from four weeks at most to three weeks at most. I still consider this frequency safe and I will not reduce it further.

   

  The reason I reduced it is because it is very difficult to recommend a general frequency that is suitable for every individual and every body part.

  Some of our customers get pinpoint bleeding when rolling their face with a 0.5 mm dermaroller. Some write me emails asking "what's wrong" because they do not get any pinpoint bleeding while rolling their face with a 2 mm dermaroller and applying quite some pressure. It shows that skin thickness is not the same in all individuals. Skin thickness also varies per body area. In general I would recommend rolling every 4 weeks with 1.5 mm. If you are male (men usually have thicker skin) or your skin is thick or you roll on thick skin areas such as the back and the bottom, then roll every three weeks. If your skin is thin or you are red for days after rolling then roll every five to six weeks.

   

  Concerning needling, do not needle the same scar, stretch marks or wrinkle more frequently than once a month.

   

  I agree that needling just a few acne scars at a time is a good idea to avoid being red all over the face. You can't avoid using the dermaroller after recently needling the last few acne scars but that's not a problem.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Autologous (own) blood injection for acne scars or atrophic scars

« on: January 29, 2011, 06:53:08 AM »

Success;1156 wrote:

  I've been looking into it and was wondering if dermarolling along with the masks and serums you offer would enhance or prolong Selphyl's effect? Any thoughts?

  Thank you for a great site!

   

     

  Sorry, I do not know whether dermarolling could prolong the effect of autologous blood injection but the effects of dermarolling are long lasting so the combination of those two can be useful.

   

  If you manage to reduce the depth of your wrinkles with dermarolling, it doesn't mean the wrinkle will never appear again or never become deep again. Dermarolling can't stop aging.

   

  Concerning acne scars or other scars, the results achieved by a dermaroller or a single needle appear to be permanent even though dermarolling and microneedling are relatively new methods and only time will show how long their effects will last.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Vit C and pigmentation marks

« on: January 29, 2011, 06:51:50 AM »

To be honest Zelda, I do not have an explanation for your experience. I'm sorry to hear about it. Vit. C is a mild skin lightener and it should lighten the pigmentation marks or do nothing for them in some cases but certainly not cause them. Then again, people's skin often reacts so differently that I can't exclude any specific cause. Let me know how things develop.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Skin-identical Ingredients | Barrier-Repair Ingredients | Natural Moisturizing Factor and Derma Rolling

« on: January 29, 2011, 06:50:18 AM »

kakalakingma;1204 wrote: @ Sarah,

   

  Okay, so I guess I will avoid using product with all of those S-IIs. Then again, can you really make or "manipulate" your skin to become lazy if the derma rolling session is done several weeks apart?

   

     

  There is no reason to avoid it. You take my posts into extremes..

   

  No you cannot make your skin "lazy" by using it once a while. Sorry I actually overlooked that you mentioned you want to use it after rolling with a 1.5 mm dermaroller. That is perfectly OK and you can use it in between rolling as well.

     

  What I wanted to say is that if you are 20 y. old or even 25 y. old, there is no need to force-feed the skin on a daily basis with things the skin naturally produces. Let your skin take care of it. When you are 40 and older then it is time to supply the skin with some of this.

   

  The situation is a bit different concerning vitamins. The human body cannot synthesize vit. C. We get it from food. To get a high skin concentration, an external application is advisable.

   

  Vit. A is easily depleted because it is light sensitive and a moderate external application is advisable.

   

  Sources of vit. D are certain foods and UV (sun) exposure. If you live in a cold country or use high factor sun protection, you might not get enough vit. D and at least moderate external application will certainly not harm the skin.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Really red face after rolling with .25mm roller

« on: January 29, 2011, 06:46:45 AM »

Yes, many customers report redness even with the shortest needles but they say the redness subsides extremely quickly.

   

  It is all quite individual. We have customers who get pinpoint bleeding when rolling their face with a 0.5 mm dermaroller and we have those who complain that they get no pinpoint bleeding when rolling their face with a 2 mm dermaroller.

   If you get very red after rolling with 0.25 mm long needles, you should maybe not roll every other day but a bit less.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Copper peptides

« on: January 28, 2011, 02:41:45 PM »

The problem is that you make many posts that are full of links to cosmetics companies. I noticed that week after week, you post links to the same cosmetics companies. I know youre not a spammer, but nevertheless this is becoming SPAM.

This forum is not intended to keep reminding people how wonderful the products are of a select few companies. This forum is for help with our products and to answer questions. You are answering people's questions by posting countless links to producs we totally disagree with, to companies we do not trust and you keep doing it, day after day until this forum has nothing but hundreds of links to the same few companies.

So I would like you to link more to scientific studies and less to the same cosmetics companies with expensive, questionable products, that's all. Some people here have expressed concern about your excessive link-dropping and I gave you the benefit of the doubt but this really is getting out of hand. I think you should stop posting links to cosmetics products. There is absolutely no need for that. We decided that you've posted enough links to those companies.

We value your help to others but if your massive link storm continues then it will have negative consequences for this forum. Google does not favor, or likely will not favor, in the search engine result pages, forums with overly many links, especially not when they are for the same companies. Google will start to think that this forum is not a real forum but a fake forum, created solely to SPAM for some companies. We like this forum to be high-quality and not a link farm.

About posting articles from other sites: It's just not allowed by law, and we like to avoid trouble with other webmasters. Attribution is OK, but attribution does not absolve you from Copyright law. Attribution plus a few sentences is all that's permitted by law, and we like to keep friends with other sites.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / I just did the dermaroller for the first time

« on: January 28, 2011, 02:22:37 PM »

I don't think non-gene modified soya products exist any more, in the US. At least not US-produced products.

Sure, humans can adapt to dioxins and heavy metals etc. Give it a few hundred thousand years and you may see genetical changes that make us cope. However, hundreds of thousands of years (or even 10 000 years) is not going to help the people who are alive today.

Certain toxins or, the other extreme, lack of nutrients are fundamantally incompatible with life based on organic chemistry though. But give it a few hundred million years and who knows, we can become like the trees, who need little else but sunlight and water..

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Skin-identical Ingredients | Barrier-Repair Ingredients | Natural Moisturizing Factor and Derma Rolling

« on: January 28, 2011, 05:00:44 AM »

And don't forget the Lanolin. Vaseline doesn't have Lanolin, a most excellent natural moisturizer. Vaseline is a byproduct of the oil industry, Lanolin is a result of hundreds of millions of years of skin evolution* in sheep who've always been outside.

* Or of our good Lord in Heaven.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / I just did the dermaroller for the first time

« on: January 28, 2011, 04:52:02 AM »

You should stay far away from any soya products if you are not 100% sure they've not been made with gene-modified Soya. Research showed that rats and mice suffer organ damage on gene-modified corn and I'm not sure similar problems don't apply to soya beans.

There is one kind of meat and diary very suitable for humans, because we have evolved to consume it: Goat's meat and goat's milk. As primitive men, we did not have cows but we did have semi-domesticated goats. Research shows that goat meat and fish are just about the only (AFAIK the only) animal protein sources that lower the bad cholesterol. Similar good properties for goat diary.

If you want to know whether someting is good or bad, just answer the following questions:

1. Did humans at my ancestral geographical lattitude eat this food regularly before the invention of agriculture? (The invention of agriculture can be considered the biggest disaster that has even befallen the human race, in terms of food quality)

2. Has the food been adulterated in any way? (gamma sterilization, gene-modification, hydrolizing etc.)

3. Has the food been grown in non-depleted soil? (All ordinary commercial food is grown on highly depleted soil!)

4. Has the animal been fed natural food instead of used oils from the hamburger industry or ground up dead animals from the bio-industry? (Norwegian salmon is downright dangerous to eat in any quantity due to this)?

5. Is the food polluted with heavy metals or dioxins? (Canned fish, bio-industry eggs are highly suspect)

If you can answer these questions, you will know pretty well whether something is good to eat or not.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Copper peptides

« on: January 28, 2011, 04:15:56 AM »

I deleted the posting that was put here because:

1. It was a Copyright violation (copy of a full article),

2. The article had many links to commercial products by vendors we do not trust. It's OK to posts links, but this poster has been posting hundreds of links to usually the same websites. It's starting to get on my nerves :-)

I hope that the poster does not do the same with my articles (post them on other websites) because we then have to ask these websites to remove them, etc. This looks too much like SPAM, sorry. The problem with hundreds of links to always the same sites on this forum is that Google will consider this entire forum to be SPAM for those sites, and that may result in consequences in our search engine rankings.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / I just did the dermaroller for the first time

« on: January 27, 2011, 06:41:46 PM »

Many people lack Lactase, the enzyme to digest the Lactose in diary products. But the biggest threat (esp. for post-menopausal women) is the imbalance in Calcium with other minerals such as Magnesium. This causes Osteoporosis. Yes, diary products are the main cause of osteoporosis. Milk is not a natural food for adult mammals. Full fat milk has too many bad fats (esp. milk from the bio-industry) and skimmed milk has not enough natural fat-soluble vitamins. Milk is good for calves, not for adult humans. You can still consume diary, but be aware of the fact that the diary industry's claims are bogus. Cow milk is not a natural or healthy food for adult people. And if you are a woman past menopause, any kind of diary, even 100 ml of milk per day will significally increase your risk of Osteoporosis. This is due to a disbalance in the Osteoblasts/Osteoclasts system caused by excess Calcium (in disbalance with Magnesium and Phosphorus). The Osteoblasts get killed by the excess Calcium. Don't forget that bone density is irrelevant for bone strength. A lot of chalk is still a brittle, crumbly substance. Bone is not merely made of Calcium. Look at the statistics. Osteoporosis is linear with diary consumption. Natural vit. D is incredibly important too though. Get your minerals from veggies and nuts, not from diary.