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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Just discovered dermarolling

« on: June 30, 2013, 07:34:04 AM »

You should in principle roll horizontally and vertically but certain areas can be rolled only in one direction, for example under the eyes, the temples, above the lips etc. Roll in a way that is doable for you. Do not forget to lift the roller after each movement to prevent the needles going back and forth exactly into the same channels.
 
Pretreat for at least one week with Tretinoin.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Not sure where to start??

« on: June 30, 2013, 07:32:24 AM »

For the time being, I suggest you use just a 1.5 mm dermastamp (not a dermaroller) and stamp your scars densely every three weeks. Stamp scars on one cheek, when it heals, stamp the other cheek.
 
Please write me after about six months and tell me whether the scars are improving and whether you get hyperpigmentation after stamping and if yes, how long it lasts. Then we may add more dermaneedling instruments to your skin care.
 
You have a very even skin tone and apart for a few scars, your skin looks nice.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: I LOVE Infadolan! Anyone else?!!

« on: June 27, 2013, 04:13:28 PM »

To Chrissy: Not to apply strong anti-inflammatories only applies right after dermaneedling. Some hours later or a day after, it is already OK.
 
You should not apply it right after if it is strongly concentrated. The weaker the better.
 
To Future Perfect: That is good news! Please keep us posted.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Not sure where to start??

« on: June 27, 2013, 02:44:02 PM »

I will answer the OP a bit later.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Do you have products for redness caused by bad dermastamping/rolling/needling?

« on: June 27, 2013, 02:43:40 PM »

First of all, you should go back to you doctor and he should help you with your hyperpigmentation.
 
1. Is it correct that dermastamping is better than dermarolling,
 
In general, no. Each alone or their combination has its role for specific cases. Dermastamping is more targeted and more intensive and is very effective for all types of scars and wrinkles. Dermarolling is more suitable for example for large areas of sun damaged, lost elasticity skin. 
 
Basically, all effective skin rejuvenation methods are based on slightly damaging the skin. You can read about it here:
 
https://http://owndoc.com/dermarolling/how-dermarolling-works/
 
The only reservations I have is using a 2 mm dermaroller on (thin) facial skin. Concerning the face, I basically only recommend this size for men with serious facial scars.
 
 
2. is needling on deeper scars a bad thing in itself, or did him performing that procedure badly lead to this redness?,

 
 
No, it is not a bad approach at all. Needling indented scars, whether deep or shallow very often fills them up or partially fills them up.
 
Unfortunately, in some rare cases, in individuals very prone to get hyperpigmentation, the skin reacts to needling by producing more pigment melanin (melanin is normally present in the skin). Individuals prone to hyperpigmentation can get hyperpigmentation even after very small skin "disruptions" for example a bug bite.

 
3. most importantly what products do you have that can get rid of these apparently permanent red / discoloured patches of skin / circles around my 3 scars? Please help! Thank you in advance.

 
The only product that we sell which could help is Tretinoin.
 
I will paste here my reply from another forum thread concerning pigmentations (in your case, it is probably melanin):
 
Sometimes, it is residual inflammation. Try this: buy a non steroidal anti-inflammatory such as Nurofen rapid capsules (it contains liquid ibuprofen). For sale in pharmacies (OTC). Prick the capsule and apply some of it at least twice a day on the pigmentation. It may sting.
 
And sometimes it is overproduced melanin pigment. Melanin is skin pigment that is normally present in the skin but unfortunately the skin often reacts to skin injuries by overproducing the pigment. Even very small skin disturbances, like a bug bite, can in some individuals result in the overproduction of melanin in that spot. What helps then is Tyrosinase inhibitors such as hydroquinone. They inhibit the enzyme that converts tyrosine to melanin. They do not remove existing melanin, they only prevent formation of excessive melanin in the future so you have to use them long term.
   
It can also be a combination of residual inflammation and melanin overproduction.
 
What sometimes helps (in both cases) are products that speed up the turnover of the skin - microneedling, acid peels, Tretinoin cream etc.
 

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Just discovered dermarolling

« on: June 27, 2013, 02:08:40 PM »

Every ten days with a 1 mm roller is ideal in your case.

You can roll your entire face but dermastamping is better to be done in multiple sessions. Stamp only half of the face (or even less) during one session. When it heals, stamp the other.
 
You should pretreat your skin with Tretinoin.
 
Applying Tretinoin right after dermarolling is done among other reasons to induce intensive peeling. It stings and it usually irritates the skin. Do a test patch first to see how your skin react.
 
You can read about it in this forum thread (reply 25 from Cesamaddictaol and my reply 26):
 
https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/evenly-spread-acne-scars/15/
 
Keep your skin moisturized after the session.
 
Concerning disinfection, it is much more important to disinfect the dermaneedling instruments after the session (the skin debris on the needles will be a breeding ground for bacteria) than disinfecting the skin before the session and there are many users who do not disinfect the skin. There should be no problem with it because your immune system will handle everything and to be honest, there is no way how to perfectly disinfect the skin. However it is not something that I officially recommend. I recommend disinfecting the skin and if you decide not to, do it at your own risk. In any case, do not slack on cleaning and disinfecting the instruments.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: What derma-roller and how often for my acne scars?

« on: June 27, 2013, 01:55:22 PM »

Use a regular 1.5 mm dermaroller and a 1.5 mm dermastamp. During the same session (every three weeks), stamp the scars and then roll them.
 
You can also try inducing intensive peeling by applying the A-Ret cream (we sell it) right after dermarolling (it stings and it irritates the skin). Do a test patch first to see how your skin reacts.
 
You can read about it in this forum thread (reply 25 from Cesamaddictaol and my reply 26):
 
https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/evenly-spread-acne-scars/15/

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Cannot start rolling.

« on: June 27, 2013, 04:44:56 AM »

Get very drunk :-)

It's too late now, but the automatic device we recently added to our assortment, the DermaJet, makes things much easier in the psychological department. You move something smoothly over your skin, you feel some pain and that's it. You don't actually prick yourself.

However: As soon as you've done it once, subsequent needling will not be a problem anymore. It's just that initial reluctance that has to be conquered and then you'll get used to it. Perhaps others have suggestions too?

It is easier and less painful to start with a dermastamp than with a dermaroller. Stamp just a very small area of the skin anywhere - for example on your forearm or on your thigh, just to try it.
 
The perception of pain is much higher initially than later as you continue stamping.
 
Usually, stamping or rolling the face is more painful than doing it elsewhere but you will soon get used to it.
 
Our forum member Finley recommended this:
 
"I recommend playing music while derma rolling- any type of music will do, whatever type will distract you, and help you relax. Music is magic, and singing along is not contraindicated while rolling !"

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Documenting dermastamping/dermaneedling progress

« on: June 27, 2013, 04:40:27 AM »

It's old stock. We are phasing those out permanently due to quality issues. That manufacturer is not able to supply us with the quality we want anymore.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Throbbing after 1st time copper peptide use. Also: Improvement in lines, texture

« on: June 26, 2013, 06:23:33 PM »

Wow! Thank you for your praise and I am very happy you're ssing improvement.
 
I know what you mean regarding the photos. It is very difficult to take photos and make everything right (angle, lighting, focus, distance etc.) and it is ever harder to create the same conditions for before and after comparison.
 
Please keep us posted about your experience!

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: I LOVE Infadolan! Anyone else?!!

« on: June 26, 2013, 06:10:51 PM »

There is no reason to do it. It will stick to the needles and it will be difficult to remove.
 
Infadolan is supposed to lay on the top of the skin and protect it and prevent water evaporation. The vitamins get absorbed like that too.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Dermajet Uses

« on: June 26, 2013, 06:10:13 PM »

No, the DermaJet is not very suitable for this sensitive part. The upper and lower eyelids have the thinnest skin on the entire body. In fact dark circles are mainly caused by the fact that the skin is so thin. The underlying tissue such as veins and the orbicularis oculi muscle shine through as bluish, reddish or purplish tones. In addition, because there is not much fat between the skin and the muscle, the dark muscle absorbs the light and that makes the area darker.
 
Buy a 0.5 mm dermastamp and use it gently up to three times a week in that area to hopefully thicken the skin.
 
How to roll or stamp around the eyes. Please read my reply #2:
 
https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/can-i-use-a-dermaroller-on-this-area-under-the-eye-(pic-included)/

Related forum thread:
https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/derma-stamproll-to-thicken-very-thin-under-eye-skin/msg5037/#msg5037
 
Milia should be extracted.
 
Milia consist of keratin - the skin's hardest protein that makes the outer skin layer so tough. Hooves and nails are also made of keratin.
 
You can pierce a milium with our single needle (start with making one or two pricks into it - it should be enough) and extracting the entrapped keratin by very gently pushing it out with two paperclips.
 
Salicylic acid has a keratolytic effect (softens keratin) - it would be useful to apply it on the milia before needling and extraction.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Documenting dermastamping/dermaneedling progress

« on: June 26, 2013, 05:46:15 PM »

You have only stamped twice but I would say that there is definitely an improvement in the depth of some scars and in your skin texture.
 
Try hydroquinone for your hyperpigmentation.
 
Concerning your question (that I overlooked) about copper peptides, we do sell copper peptide serum and a copper peptide mask.
 
Our A-Ret cream is worth trying on your cheeks. I think it will even out your skin tone. You can use the lowest percentage (0.025%). If the skin gets dry, apply almond oil or some other oil.
 
Please keep us posted about your progress.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Deep pockmark on tip of nose

« on: June 26, 2013, 05:14:55 PM »

We do not sell hydroquinone but percentages up to 2% are for sale OTC. You can search our forum for hydroquinone to get more info.
 
If you have blackheads, you can try this:
 
https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/oil-cleansing-method-to-get-rid-of-blackheads/Oils are good moisturizers and are suitable for dermarolling aftercare.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Deep pockmark on tip of nose

« on: June 26, 2013, 07:32:51 AM »

Thank you for the praise!
 
If you have hyperpigmentation, use your 0.5 mm dermaroller to enhance penetration of hydroquinone. Apply hydroquinone right after rolling.
 
Do not touch your nose until you become very experiences with needling and stamping. First try to improve the scars that are not on your nose.
 
Later you can try the nose but follow the rules I describe here:
 
https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/New-scar-nose
 
Going to a professional concerning your nose is a good idea but I am not sure he/she will be able to help you because using laser for scars on the nose is also tricky. Have a consultation with a surgeon and you will see.
 
BTW, everyone can be made to look bad under a certain lighting..