Rolling and mild lactic acid peels

[Colombo]

Hi,

I am using a 1mm dermaroller every 3 weeks, i also want to start on a mild lactic acid peel. Is it OK to do a 10% weekly peel in between, avoiding it the week I do the roll? If not, how should I go about it?

Also, my skin care routine is pretty simple. I use the vitamin C I bought from you most nights and Infadolan after I roll for a day or two. I only use the Ageless Secret as I tend to breakout if I wear moisturizer  in the daytime (humid weather). Am I missing anything vital? Thanks!

[kakalakingma]

I don't know if 10% lactic acid is considered a peel because it is so low in concentration. Plus, it is much more gentler than glycolic acid due to its size. I think of 10% lactic acid as a daily exfoliant. I think the vital thing you miss to mention is sunscreen!

What is Ageless Secret?

[Colombo]

Thanks for the speedy reply,

Oh sunscreen .. well I use the missha BB cream (foundation) which has 42 SPF and try to stay out of the sun . As for the peel, any idea how high (%) I can go for a mild weekly peel along with the rolling?

The Ageless Secret is a water based skin care product containing energy.  Don't know if I can post URLs here but if you do a search for "The Ageless Secret Gold" you're sure to come across their site. No miracles but it certainly works for me, skin/face looks better immediately after. There's certainly a glow, looks smoother and  a visible improvement you can't quite put your finger on.

[SarahVaughter]

Absolutely no problem with using 10% lactic acid, even the days before dermarolling.

  Any kind of very superficial or superficial peel is OK.

  10% lacid acid is very superfical.

  In this study, 92%, low pH lactic acid was used for Melasma:

  https://http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17199649

   

 

   Classification of chemical peels:

   

  Exfoliation - can be used daily

   

  AHA 5-10%

  Retinoids

   

   

  Very superficial peels

   

  Alpha-hydroxy acid (AHA) - glycolic acid and lactic acid up to 50%

  Beta-hydroxy acid - (BHA) - salicylic acid (excellent for acne prone skin since it cleans pores)

  Trichloroacetic acid (TCA) up to 10%

   

   

  Superficial peels - reach the epidermis - usually performed every 4-6 weeks

   

  TCA up to 30%

  AHA - up to 70% (left from 2 to 20 min)

  BHA

  Jessner’s solution – (contains 14% resorcinol, 14% salicylic acid, 14% lactic acid and ethanol)

   

   

  Medium depth peels - reach the papillary dermis - usually performed once in 6-12 months.

   

  TCA 30% to 40%

  Glycolic acid 70% + 35% TCA

  Jessner’s solution + 35% TCA

  Glycolic acid 70%

   

   

  Deep peels - reach the reticular dermis - Can be performed once every few years or once in a lifetime.

   

  TCA 50% or more

  Phenol

   

   

  The depth of penetration depends on many variables:

   

  The concentration of the peel

  The pH of the peel

  Thickness of the skin

  How many layers of the peel are applied

  How long it stays on

Unlike a deep acid peel, a dermaroller doesn't remove entire layers of skin (removing entire layers makes the skin prone to infection, uneven pigmentation or scarring and it takes a long time to heal).

With a dermaroller, you achieve deep renewal but the micro-holes are surrounded by untouched skin, which makes it much safer and quicker to heal. Therefore you can go much deeper with a dermaroller than with acid peels.

[kakalakingma]

Colombo;914 wrote: Thanks for the speedy reply,

Oh sunscreen .. well I use the missha BB cream (foundation) which has 42 SPF and try to stay out of the sun . As for the peel, any idea how high (%) I can go for a mild weekly peel along with the rolling?

The Ageless Secret is a water based skin care product containing energy.  Don't know if I can post URLs here but if you do a search for "The Ageless Secret Gold" you're sure to come across their site. No miracles but it certainly works for me, skin/face looks better immediately after. There's certainly a glow, looks smoother and  a visible improvement you can't quite put your finger on.

 

Ah, Colombo, you are spending SO much (159.99 dollars for one bottle, REALLY!?) on a bottle of wishful thinking and sensationalized claims to back it up, not scholarly evidence. This is bogus claims at its finest and you fell for it. I know I cannot give you orders, but I am going to try to persuade you to reconsider buying another bottle of hopeless dreams. Save your bank account and your skin, please.

It is good to know you stay out of the sun!

You can get a glow and smoother skin from using a gently daily exfoliant like 8-10% glycolic acid or lactic acid (gentler). Or if you have acne you should try 0.5-2% salicylic acid products. There are load of research on these ingredients corroborating their ability to make skin look more youthful. Other key well-researched ingredients you want to look for in a skin care product are: vitamin A (retinol, retinyl acetate, retinyl palmitate), retinoids (Tretinoin, tazarotene, adapalene), Vitamin B3 (niacinamide, myristyl nicotinate), Vitamin C (l-ascorbic acid, magnesium ascorbyl phosphate, tetrahexyldecyl ascorbate), Vitamin D2 (Ergocalciferol), Vitamin E (alpha-tocopherol, tocotrienols), Vitammin F (alpha-linolenic acid, gamma-linolenic acid), selenium, green/white teas, soy, curcuminoids, licorice extract, allantoin, bisabolol, beta-glucan, kinetin, copper peptides, sunscreen agents (titanium dioxide, zinc oxide, avobenzone, Ecamsule), and more and more.

I did email the company to send me the full ingredient lists for the original and the gold version of Ageless Secret. I believe they only give a partial list on their website. Let's get to business!

On their website, it states: “You benefit because The Ageless Secret Gold formula is made using only ingredients that are healthy for the body. The ingredients in this completely non-toxic product are: Purified water, MSM, Aloe and Trace Minerals, catalyzed with Niacin, Ho Shou Wu, Helichrysum and Cayenne Pepper.”

MSM is an abbreviation for methylsulfonylmethane, an organic-sulfur containing compound. In preliminary research on Wikipedia and Google Scholar, I only find that MSM is an effective anti-inflammatory as an oral supplement for internal inflammatory diseases. I only found one article for topical use of MSM for rosacea. There are plentiful topical anti-inflammatory ingredients better researched for topical use such as allantoin, aspirin, beta glucan, bisabolol, etc. If you like MSM, take it as a supplement.

Documents on MSM:

https://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylsulfonylmethane

https://http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bpb/32/4/32_651/_article

https://http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089%2F107555302317371451

https://http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/adis/cdi/2004/00000024/00000006/art00005

https://http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1473-2165.2008.00355.x/full

Aleo vera you can buy in bulk at the whole foods store. There is nothing special to it but its light texture and minute amount of other ingredients such as humectants, antioxidant, and anti-inflammatory ingredients. No miracle here!

https://http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T8D-475B9BD-3V&_user=10&_coverDate=06%2F30%2F1986&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1571258428&_rerunOrigin=scholar.google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=32daf1b052b96d13b801ee7bd9ef79ff&searchtype=a

Trace Minerals could be a variety of minerals so who knows what they mean by that. You can get all that from your diet. NEXT!

Niacin or vitamin B3 is actually good for skin, however, not in this form because it is known to cause facial flushing. You are better off with derivatives like niacinamide or myristyl nicotinate. Niacinamide has a host of benefits for skin.

https://http://www.cosmeticscop.com/cosmetic-ingredient-dictionary/definition/997/index.aspx?filter=itemtype%3acontent

Ho Shou Wu. I cannot find a shred of research on this ingredient in its relation to skin care. Tell me if you do. NEXT!

Helichrysum. I cannot find a shred of research on this ingredient in its relation to skin care. Tell me if you do. NEXT!

Cayenne Pepper contains an active irritant called capsaicin. It can do more harm than good from what I am finding.

https://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsaicin#Medical

https://http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10666518

There is nothing ageless about ageless secret: that’s their secret hidden from consumer! The bottle is ageless.

[Update: what is your skin type Colombo? dry? very dry? oily? very oily? combination?]