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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Meladerm and dermarolling

« on: January 30, 2012, 01:21:43 PM »

>Also, I am using a cream called meladerm by civant for hyperpigmentation, it is all

>natural extracts, no bleaching agents that are harmful to the skin. Would it be okay to

>use something like that the 1st day after rolling to get the benefits of it really getting

>into the skin, or would it be best to wait until the following day? And any other

>suggestions you might have on hyperpigmentation would be appreciated

 

  Meladerm contains:

  Kojic Acid, Alpha-Arbutin, Niacinamide, Mulberry Extract, Bearberry Extract, Licorice Extract, Tego® Cosmo C250, Gigawhite, Lemon Juice Extract, and Emblica Extract.

   

  Kojic acid is a skin-lightening agent (a mild inhibitor of melanin). In some individuals it causes dermatitis.

   

  You can certainly apply it the first day after rolling with a 1.5 mm dermaroller. Nevertheless, skin-lightening agents have to be applied frequently to continuously prevent melanin production.

   

  Regularly using short-needled (0.2 mm) dermarollers to enable the enhanced and deep penetration of skin lightening products can be very useful in pigmentations that are in the dermis (deeper skin layer) such as dermal Melasma. Unfortunately, some skin lightening agents such as hydroquinone are not completely side-effect free (hydroquinone is banned in Europe) their application should be discontinued for fourl weeks every three months.

   

  Kojic acid sometimes causes dermatitis and regularly enhancing its absorption through dermarolling will increase its effectiveness but it may also enhance the likelihood of dermatitis in certain individuals. If the skin gets too irritated, stop applying it with dermarolling or reduce the frequency of application.

   

  Related topics:

  https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/Hyperpigmentation-on-dark-(African)-skin

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Kelo-cote cream for hypertrophic scars

« on: January 24, 2012, 02:03:08 PM »

Kelo-cote is a silicone-based cream used in prevention or improvement of hypertrophic or keloid scars. The mechanism of action is not completely understood. Several studies findings suggest it is not the silicone itself that has an effect but it is the occlusion and hydration that forms under the silicone sheets which is effective in improving hypertrophic and keloid scars.

   

 

  Treatment of scars and keloids with a cream containing silicone oil

  Abstract



  The clinical effect of silicone cream containing 20% of silicone oil was tested on 47 patients with hypertrophic scars and keloids.



  A silicone cream/occlusive dressing technique, quite similar in manner to silicone gel treatment, resulted in a remarkable improvement of scars and keloids in 9 of 11 cases (82%) whereas the simple application of the cream onto the scars and keloids of 36 cases resulted in only mild improvement in 8 (22%).

  Using the chi-square test, a statistically significant difference was seen between these two treatments (p < 0.01).

From these findings, we suggest that occlusion and hydration are the principal modes of action of the silicone gel sheet method and our silicone cream/occlusive dressing technique.

 

https://http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2104531

   

   

  Cytokine mRNA changes during the treatment of hypertrophic scars with silicone and nonsilicone gel dressings.

   

  OBJECTIVE. To determine whether silicone is an essential factor in the treatment of hypertrophic scars and investigate the effects of occlusive dressing therapy on the expression of key wound healing mediators.

CONCLUSIONS. This study demonstrates that silicone is not a necessary component of occlusive dressings in the treatment of hypertrophic scars. The pathogenesis of hypertrophic scars is further elucidated by demonstrating that there is molecular evidence for extensive connective tissue remodeling occurring during occlusive dressing therapy.



  https://http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=2614927

   

  Hydration and occlusion treatment for hypertrophic scars and keloids.

  Sawada Y, Sone K.

  Department of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, Hirosaki University School of Medicine, Japan.

Abstract

  In 31 patients with hypertrophic scars or keloids, a side by side test was carried out to check the efficacy of an occlusive dressing technique using cream which did not contain silicone oil, versus a simple application of vaseline, used as a control. In all cases, the cream treated areas of scar and keloid demonstrated a remarkable improvement over that of the vaseline treated area. These findings strongly suggest that the mechanisms of hydration and occlusion are the main basis of the therapeutic action of this method in treating hypertrophic scars and keloids.



  https://http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1493533

BTW, Infadolan ointment that we sell for dermarolling aftercare is a semi-occlusive ointment that prevents water evaporation from the skin and thus keeps it extra moisturized (just like silicone). Adding "water creams" or glycerin to the skin does not moisturize it for more than several minutes. Topically added water actually increases the evaporation of water from the skin. The skin contains enough water. The top layer of the skin works as a barrier that prevents evaporation from the skin. If this barrier doesn't work properly or is temporarily compromised, the skin becomes dry. Adding water does not solve it. Establishing a barrier that prevents water evaporation solves it. That is why oils are much better moisturizers than any light moisturizing cream because oils form a film on the skin that prevents the evaporation of water. The film however can be a problem with acne prone skin.

  You can wrap your scar into food wrap to enhance the occlusive effects of Infadolan or other products.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Sebaceous Hyperplasia

« on: December 29, 2011, 12:31:25 PM »

> I have been diagnosed with Sebaceous Hyperplasia, which is in spots on

  > my face and nose. I wondered if you or your clients have had

  > experience with this problem, and whether you think a dermaroller or

  > single needling might help me.

  >

  > Thank you for any information you can provide.

  >

  > I just started reading your forum but haven't found anything on this

  > topic yet.

  >

  >

  >

  > My plan was to use some copper peptides on the problem areas, but I

  > thought needling might help, after reading so much on dermaroller and

  > the single needling.

 

Sebaceous Hyperplasia is the harmless enlargement of sebaceous glands. The glands are hormonally controlled and produce an oily sebum that lubricates the skin. If you got them during or after pregnancy, they will likely disappear by themselves as soon as the hormonal levels go back to normal.

   

  I doubt dermarolling could make the glands smaller. It could perhaps help normalize the skin physiology just like dermarolling often helps skin that is prone to acne. Yet, I do not think dermarolling will really help in case of Sebaceous Hyperplasia.

   

  In acne, sebaceous glands greatly overproduce sebum and this overproduction clogs skin pores, which causes acne (there is still very much unknown about acne but sebum overproduction is a main factor for acne formation).

  Dermarolling speeds up the turnover of the skin and that helps unclog pores and often improves acne-prone skin.

   

  In Sebaceous Hyperplasia, the sebum-producing gland is enlarged but it doesn't produce excessive amounts of sebum and that is why I doubt dermarolling could affect the size of the gland and improve this cosmetic condition.

   

  Sebaceous Hyperplasia nodules are treated just like warts or skin moles.

  They are mechanically removed by laser evaporization, liquid nitrogen, cauterization, acid peels or they are shaven off etc.

   

  If you intensively single needle the Sebaceous Hyperplasia nodule, the subsequent peeling may make it smaller but I am just hypothesizing.

   

  I am sorry I can't give you a totally clear-cut answer but dermarolling is a new method and there are dozens of skin conditions where the benefits of dermarolling have yet to be established.

   

  I have not heard from our customers about experience with this.

  I think you will be better off with mechanical removal.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / What to do about hypertrophic scars

« on: November 23, 2011, 10:10:08 AM »

Dermarolling or needling a hypertrophic scar is a good idea but you must be extra careful when it is a keloid. It is not the same thing.

The difference between a keloid and a hypertrophic scar is that a hypertrophic scar is raised but it is more or less within the boundaries of the original injury. Keoloid scars totally outgrow the original boundaries of the injury and they grow to all directions. A person prone to keloids (it is rare) can get a huge scar just after a bug bite or vaccination.

You can needle/stamp a keloid but initially, treat just a very small part of the keloid to see how it responds. Keloids are unpredictable.

What to do about hypertrophic scars:

Perform three times a week:

- Needle the hypertrophic scar superficially with our single needle (thin scars) or a 1.5 mm dermastamp (wide scars)

- After needling, perform pressure massage. Apply pressure with your fingers onto the scar spot by spot. Apply pressure to each spot quite strongly   for about 20 seconds.

Repeat the pressure massage daily (but only three times a week in combination with needling).

On thick/tough hypertrophic scars, apply wart remover once a week (for sale OTC, usually contains salicylic acid and lactic acid).  Apply without needling.

-Every three weeks, needle or stamp the scar densely and deeply to crush the scar collagen.

Why needling helps hypertrophic scars:

https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/needlingdermarolling-hypertrophic-scar/

You can try:

Retinoic acid (A-Ret):

https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/Effect-of-retinoic-acid-on-hypertrophic-scars

Contractubex:

https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/Contractubex

Silicone sheets:

https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/Kelo-cote-cream-for-hypertrophic-scars

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Breakouts at 30??

« on: November 10, 2011, 01:28:59 PM »

This posting used to be in now removed category "General".

Anna posted:      

    >ok, so i used to have really bad acne all throughout highschool and early 20's then  miraculously by around 26-27 my skin cleared up and stayed clear till this past fall. whaaat  is the deal? i feel like im going >through puberty all over again. My diet has not changed  really i  know what foods break me out and i avoid them, so what can be wrong? also my  periods are very irregular for the first time in my life and last >month it completely skipped  me and im not even pregnant. Should i be worried? and is there a way to fix all this besides  going to the traditional doctor and get prescribed birth control pills for the period and  >antibiotics for the acne, i know thats what theyll do and that is why id rather just take care of  it on my own. please help i appreciate your insight on health issues. Thank you, Anna.

SarahVaughter replied:        

    Acne is commonly caused/affected by male sex hormones.

Also females produce a small amount of male sex hormones.

The fact that you do not suddenly have regular periods and you even have missing periods indicates you probably have a hormonal problem. This is not normal at your age (you are not in menopause yet).You should definitely see a gynecologist and have a hormonal check-up. You may have Polycystic ovary syndrome or some other hormonal disorder.

Polycystic ovary syndrome:

"The principal features are obesity, anovulation (resulting in irregular menstruation or amenorrhea), acne, and excessive amounts or effects of androgenic hormones."



Not everyone with Polycystic ovary syndrome is obese or has all of the above stated symptoms.

Anna replied:        

   

this makes a lot of sense. im not theoretically considered obese im 5'7 and weigh 185 but i am overweight. after i had my 2nd child 2 years ago i have not been able to drop the pregnancy weight and the past few months is when the period irregularities started. i was never overweight before that so i never had problems with my period. I will still see a gyno about this to be safe because my sister had cysts in her ovaries which they treated her with birth control pills, however would you say that by dropping some weight it may resolve without the need of pills?

SarahVaughter replied:      

    It is a known fact that many obese women with Polycystic ovary syndrome improve when they drop in weight.

The fact that you suddenly have irregular and missing periods and acne strongly indicates hormonal imbalance (sex hormones) but you have to consult a gynecologist to confirm this and find out what the exact cause is and what your options are to resolve/treat it.

Anna replied:        

    yeah deffinitely so I can at least know if that's what's happening, thank you so much!

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Excess skin with dramatic weight loss

« on: November 10, 2011, 12:40:22 PM »

This posting used to be in now removed category "General".

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>I'm looking for advise on how to lessen the amount of excess skin I will have

>while losing weigh. I've lost 20kg with another 40kg to go.

>I know its inevitable that I will have excess skin & that many factors determine

>the outcome. I'm trying to find out if anything

>helps...like applying vit C serum to whole body, dry brushing, vitamins etc

>This forum is honest & direct so thanks for your time and knowledge

 

 

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  First of all, congratulations with losing 20 kg. Mind sharing your method?

The skin usually copes quite well with losing 20 kg and you likely did not end up with lots of excessive skin or it will gradually improve by itself but losing a further 40 kg will result in lots of loose skin.. There is no way a dermaroller or anything else could fix such excessive skin. You will probably need plastic surgery to remove it. You should exercise a lot to build muscle - that can help a little with loose skin but there is no way that dry brushing or vit. C or anything like that can prevent loose skin after such weigh loss.

 

 

  Here is the amazing story of David Smith who lost 180 kg and had skin  reducing surgery. He lost three times more than you are planning so you  will not have such excessive skin as he had but it is always good to get  inspired by such a successful weight loss.



  https://http://izismile.com/2009/01/22/page,1,4,incredibly_slimming_down_27_pics.html

 



Other photos to get inspired: Some of these guys appear to be using anabolics though and some ladies got silicone implants but anyway:

https://http://www.funzu.com/index.php/crazy-pics/stunning-body-transformations-how-to-do-it-right-31072010.html

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  I'm more than happy to share.

FOOD- I've stopped eating refined sugar and wheat (I use gluten free flour & spelt)

I was a vegetarian for 20yrs (its a myth all are thin & healthy) as per doctors advise I now eat fish & poultry.  That was a hard thing to do but my physiology was being sacrificed for my  ideology.

I stopped junkfood, soda & coffee. Instead, now drink water with fresh lemon juice and a little cayenne pepper, 30ml of wheatgrass & water daily. I eat more vegetables than I used to. This one is controversial but I follow "the blood group diet" by about 80%. My doctors tests results give  evidence to it.

EXERCISE- 1 hour per day (all at home) alternating between treadmill, ball with weights & yoga dvds. Also I  try to meditate daily as I have diagnosed O.C.D. more the "O" side of it.



 

 

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / We sell disinfectant now!

« on: September 12, 2011, 05:25:21 PM »

We have received countless question about where to buy the proper disinfection alcohol, and we are finally selling something that disinfects better than alcohol: Chloramine T.

If you want immediate disinfection, you use a 2% solution. If you soak the roller all night, 1% or even as little as 0.5% will do. We sell 20 grams for 4 dollars, enough for 1 litre of 2% solution, 2 litres of 1% solution or 4 litres of 0.5% solution:



https://http://shop.owndoc.com/p-174/chloramine-t.html

Since it is so concentrated and you dilute it yourself, the shipment cost is nothing, if you add it to an order. Our Chloramine is both cheaper and disinfects more thorough and faster than any alcohol-based solution out there.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Oil cleansing method to get rid of blackheads

« on: August 09, 2011, 03:09:14 PM »

Blackheads consist of oily sebum. It is impossible to dissolve sebum with water. Not even soap will dissolve it. Oils can however dissolve it!

   - Steam your face to open up your pores or do it at the end of a hot bath.

   

  - Pour some oil of your choice (test several to find the best working one for you)  into a cup and warm it "au-bain-Marie" (place the cup inside a pan of hot water), we need nicely warm oil. If you have a product with salicylic acid, add it to the oil.

   

  - Apply a lot of oil to your face and massage it in for 10-15 minutes or longer.

   

  - Wet a clean cloth with warm water and start wiping the oil off to loosen up the pore plugs that are now very soft.

   

  - If you are still too oily, clean the skin with a product that you normally use to clean your skin.

   

  - If your skin is very tough, you can use Scotch tape (wipe the oil off first) to pull the plugs out. Do it very gently. No abrupt movements with the tape.  Do not use a tape if you are on Accutane or have very sensitive or thin skin.

   

  - Rinse your face with very cold water to close the pores.

   

  The best product to use for this method is an ointment with salicylic acid. Salicylic acid penetrates the pores. Make it liquid in the microwave but pour it into a cup first because any metal in a microwave causes fire and can damage the microwave. Salicylic acid is oil-soluble and it will add to the dissolving ability of the oil to unclog the pores. Such ointments are sold for psoriasis or callus foot heels.

   

  Oil cleansing method may cause breakouts in some individuals. You have to test it.

 

  Repeated use is necessary to fully unclog the pores and maintenance is necessary.

If you clean your pores, they may slightly shrink in size.

Salicylic acid is the best for acne and blackheads-prone skin because it has a comedolyitic (de-clogging) effect. It penetrates the pores and disrupts the sebum that plugs them. There is a popular myth that blackheads consist of dirt and they are caused by poor hygiene. Blackheads are in fact a mixture of sebum (oily substance produced by sebaceous glands inside the pore) and keratin (a tough, protective protein in the outer layer of the skin). The dark color of blackheads is due to accumulated melanin pigment deposition. Melanin is a pigment normally present in the skin, making up our skin color. The blackheads are only pigmented at the tip.

  To get rid of blackheads, you have to soften the keratin-sebum mixture. It is not an easy task. Keratin is very strong and tough material. In combination with oily sebum, it basically forms "glue" that plugs the pore. Keratolytics are substances that soften keratin. Salicylic acid is a keratolytic. Prolonged exposure to warm water also softens keratin however, oily sebum repulses water, and moreover you cannot dissolve the plugs with water or soap.

 Salicylic acid is oil-soluble (contrary to glycolic acid and other Alpha Hydroxy Acids) and therefore can penetrate the oily pore and soften the plug. Prolonged contact with the skin is needed. Cleaning the skin with a product containing salicylic acid is good but not enough. Every now and then, you have to apply a higher percentage of salicylic acid, massage it into the pores and leave it on the skin for an hour or longer.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / The Dermaroller Trademark Does not Qualify for Trademark Protection

« on: June 28, 2011, 12:05:26 PM »

Edelgard Liebl registered on the 29th of August, 2006 the word trademark "TOP-ROL DERMAROLLER" as an EU trademark.

And on the 19th of November, 2008 he registered a picture mark with the word "Dermaroller" prominently visible as a EU trademark.

On April 8, 2008, he registered the word "Dermaroller" as a US trademark.

On this basis, Cynergy, the US agent of Dermaroller S.a.r.l. has filed lawsuits against the sellers of dermarollers in the US:

https://http://www.dermarollerus.com/press/dermaroller-enforcing-us-trademarks

https://http://www.justanswer.com/intellectual-property-law/4sdip-hi-paul-linda-robison-here-in-august-2009-asked.html

https://http://www.articlesnatch.com/Article/Dermaroller---Files-First-Wave-Of-Federal-Trademark-Lawsuits-Against-Online-Micro-needle-Resellers/2217572

We are quite sure these suits will be found without merit, we are quite sure Dermaroller S.a.r.l. knows this, and we think that the only reason the lawsuits have been filed is to bankrupt small dermaroller vendors to spend money on legal representation, and discourage others to stop selling dermarollers.

The reason is that the "Dermaroller" trademark simply is not a valid legal trademark, even though it has been registered as such in the US (not in Europe). Only when a trademark becomes contested, or when a trademark infringement lawsuit takes place, it will become known whether a trademark actually qualifies for legal protection. It is the same with patents. Anyone who pays the fees can file a patent or trademark, even when they are obviously non-enforceable. The trademark registration office does not verify whether a trademark qualifies for protection - they just register.

Let's look at US trademark law:

https://http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/metaschool/fisher/domain/tm.htm



"a generic mark is a mark that describes the general category to which the underlying product belongs. For example, the term "Computer" is a generic term for computer equipment. Generic marks are entitled to no protection under trademark law. Thus, a manufacturer selling "Computer" brand computers (or "Apple" brand apples, etc.) would have no exclusive right to use that term with respect to that product. Generic terms are not protected by trademark law because they are simply too useful for identifying a particular product. Giving a single manufacturer control over use of the term would give that manufacturer too great a competitive advantage. "

"Dermaroller" is such a generic mark. It simply means "Skin roller". Derma = Greek for skin.

Therefore, the word "Dermaroller" is a generic, descriptive term for the actual product Dermaroller S.a.r.l. sells, and can't possibly qualify for trademark protection.

Dermaroller S.a.r.l. never trademarked the single word "Dermaroller" in Europe, so European vendors do not have to fear a lawsuit.

"Dermaroller" may also perhaps be considered or claimed to be a descriptive mark, and also in that case, Dermaroller S.a.r.l. does not enjoy legal trademark protection on the term:

"A descriptive mark is a mark that directly describes, rather than suggests, a characteristic or quality of the underlying product (e.g. its color, odor, function, dimensions, or ingredients). For example, "Holiday Inn," "All Bran," and "Vision Center" all describe some aspect of the underlying product or service (respectively, hotel rooms, breakfast cereal, optical services). They tell us something about the product. Unlike arbitrary or suggestive marks, descriptive marks are not inherently distinctive and are protected only if they have acquired "secondary meaning." Descriptive marks must clear this additional hurdle because they are terms that are useful for describing the underlying product, and giving a particular manufacturer the exclusive right to use the term could confer an unfair advantage.

A descriptive mark acquires secondary meaning when the consuming public primarily associates that mark with a particular producer, rather than the underlying product."

It is easy to show that the word "Dermaroller" has been used, worldwide, by consumers to mean any type of microneedling skin roller, and not specifically and near-exclusively the products of Dermaroller S.a.r.l.

We can prove this by doing a Google forum search on a date range stopping at the registration dates of their trademarks:

In 2001:

https://http://board.beauty24.de/showthread.php?t=8626

In 2002:

https://http://www.hairlosshelp.com/FORUMS/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=11545

So the word "Dermaroller" was already genericized before their trademark application, and certainly is genericized today, which is amply obvious to anyone doing an online search for the term. Genericized trademarks lose their protection under US trademark law:

https://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genericized_trademark

So what is the status of the alleged "Dermaroller" trademark?

In the EU: No single "Dermaroller" word trademark has ever been registered.

In the US: A "Dermaroller" trademark has been registered but it never fulfilled the legal requirements for registration, so it can't be enforced. Any court cases will be lost by Dermaroller S.a.r.l., if any trademark attorney worth his salt will get involved.

What does this all mean for us, OwnDoc.com? We operate a Seychelles Limited. That company came with a US correspondence address (listed on our website), but we do not have a physical presence in the US. We dispatch from Europe and we pay tax in Europe.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Why we don't sell adjustable dermastamps

« on: June 15, 2011, 08:42:01 AM »

Hi Sarah,

   

  I came across your site recently and read several topics on your forum.  Its very informative and I'm glad that you've cleared up many misconceptions about Derma Rolling.  

   

  I am looking to purchase a Derma Stamp to get rid of acne scars and make my cheeks and forehead smoother.

   

  I was wondering if you sold an adjustable Derma Stamp similar to the one on the derma-roller website.

 

  I was only able to find the 1.5 mm derma stamp being sold on your website.  

  Please let me know, thanks.



There are many reasons we don't sell such a dermastamp:

1. An adjustable dermastamp can't be properly cleaned. Skin detrius accumulates in the spaces between the needles and the dermastamp body, whereas a fixed-length dermastamp has no such spaces.

2. That dermastamp is too large for targeted treatment of stretchmarks and acne scars etc.

3. That dermastamp has so many needles, that due to the "fakir effect", it is very hard to push them into your skin.

4. In spite of what they claim, their device is not reuseable, due to the impossibility of cleaning the moveable mechanism. There will be 140 hollow spaces that accumulate skin oils and skin flakes. They claim that "other devices are not reuseable", while in reality it is the opposite.

5. For a device with a short lifetime (all microneedling devices will eventually get blunt needles), it is extremely overpriced. They charge 95 GBP, which is 154 dollars. Ours is 17 dollars. That's nine times cheaper.

6. The maximum needle length of their adjustable dermastamp is way to long for safety, neither is a needle length above 2 mm useful for anything.

7. There is no need for adjustablity. 1.5 mm is the "sweet spot" for such a device. shorter needles, and you'll see very little effect when you're deep-targeting stretchmarks and acne scars. Would you pay 150 dollars for a device that doesn't make a difference?

In my opinion, Scientia's business model is to pretend that they have something "special", and they charge outrageous prices, prices that are totally unrelated to the cost of manufacturing or to what such a device can do for you. When you look at their marketing, they are scammers, plain and simple:

"Can you imagine being able to remove your scars, wrinkles and stretch marks with just one simple device?"

I'm sorry, but it is impossible to "remove" scars etc. You can only diminish them.

It's the same old trick: Take a simple, proven concept and come with a "next generation" thingy that costs twice as much to produce, is four times worse in performance, and sell it for eight times more.

It's clear that Scientia is merely a SE Asian sales company with agressive marketing. Nobody there has the slightest knowledge of microneedling and their website is just plain nonsense. Example:

"Use soft and light pressure; it is unnecessary to press excessively hard."

It is of course completely impossible to punch 140 needles through your skin without ramming them in. A dermaroller has approx. the same number of needles, only a small percentage of them penetrate the skin simultaneously.

They also claim that one such dermastamp can replace various dermarollers - a load of bollocks because rollers are perfect to follow the contours of stretchmarks, and rollers come in three widths: Normal width, narrow and single-line. Stamping large square patters is not going to work.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Swimwear to cover stretch marks

« on: April 30, 2011, 11:57:07 AM »

I've been getting lots of emails about how stretch marks prevent you from going to the beach in summer because you do not want others to see them.

   

  You should not sit at home in summer! You'll regret it. Buy a nice "UV protection swimsuit" that covers most of the body, or enough to hide your stretch marks and enables you to enjoy swimming, surfing, playing beach volleyball etc. Do not buy anything too tight or black - dark colors get too hot.

   

  UV swimsuits are intended as skin cancer protection or for those who have sun allergies or rashes etc. You will use it to hide your stretch marks from people at the beach.

  Maybe going to the beach will make you feel bad because you will have to look at stretch marks-free skin but you can always go a little aside where it is not so crowded or just decide to ignore everybody and don't look at them. Most women have stretch marks and the reason you cannot see them so much on the beach is because they cover themselves or stay at home.

   

  Here is a good choice of nice-looking swim shirts with short or long sleeves:

   

  https://http://www.swimshirtsanduvclothing.com/?node=10&page=2

   

  https://http://www.equatorsun.com/sun_protection_clothes_adults.jsp

   

  https://http://www.solartex.com/servlet/the-Swim-Shirts--fdsh--Rash-Guards/Categories

   

  https://http://skin-savers.com/Swimwear/Women_s_Swimwear/index.html

   

  https://http://www.coolibar.com/women-s-swimwear.html

   

  Do not get me wrong. I do not think people with stretch marks should cover themselves. But quite a number of people wrote me they would never undress at the beach because they are covered in stretch marks. They spend summers at home in tears.

   

  Swimming in ordinary clothing can be bit awkward but swimming in clothing purposely made for swimming is better than sitting at home.

     

  Search for:

   

  Sun Protection swim shirts

 

  UV swimsuit

 

  UV rash swimsuit

   

  ..to find a sexy, modern, well designed UV swim suit to cover exactly what you need.

   

  Before the summer comes, dermaroll, needle or dermastamp those !@# stretch marks to make them look better! :cool:

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / New ONE-LINE dermaroller specifically for stretch marks, scars and wrinkles

« on: April 27, 2011, 05:34:37 AM »

Specifically for the intensive treatment of stretch marks, long scars (both atrophic and hypertrophic), long wrinkles or skin folds.

 

A single row of needles enables you to target individual scars or wrinkles and roll them thoroughly and densely.

   

  It is less painful than an ordinary dermaroller because there are fewer needles (it has 24 needles in total) to penetrate the skin in one go.  Nevertheless, the fewer the needles on a dermaroller the deeper they penetrate.

It is less effective than the manual single needle method however it is much quicker and easier.  

 

This roller is not suitable for small scars such as acne scars, vaccination scars, liposuction scars etc. For those, use the single needles.

   

  The best approach is to use the 1-line roller in combination with a regular dermaroller.

   



Recommended approach for stretch marks, scars or wrinkles:

       Roll the whole area (stretch marks/scars/wrinkles and surrounding skin) once every five weeks with the regular dermaroller and then in addition, treat every stretch mark/scar/wrinkle individually once every five weeks with the one-liner dermaroller (roll densely). If you have a lot of stretch marks/scars/wrinkles and don't have the time to treat them all at once you can spread out the treatments with the one-liner over the five weeks but make sure to roll each individual stretch mark/scar/wrinkle only once  with the one-liner roller during this time.

 

   

  When you have finished this individual rolling of all stretch marks/scars/wrinkles in the area (try to finish it in four weeks), give your skin a week off and then start the whole process over again - rolling the

  entire area with a regular dermaroller and then rolling densely with the 1-liner dermaroller.

After two months, give your skin a one-month break. Then restart the whole process and after two months give your skin a one-month break and restart again, etc.

  There are studies showing that A-Ret (Tretinoin) slightly helps diminishing fresh (red) stretch marks and it has some limited effect on mature (white) stretch marks as well.

   Right after dermarolling stretch marks/scars with the 1-line dermaroller, apply A-Ret gel. or cream. I do not recommend using A-Ret right after dermarolling because it is acidic and it stings when applied to the rolled skin but in some special cases such as stubborn scars and stretch marks, I do recommend it.

Do not use Tretinoin if pregnant, breastfeeding or planning pregnancy.

   

 

  It is for sale here dermaroller shop

                     

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Burn scars and hyperthropic scars

« on: April 01, 2011, 02:40:30 PM »

>I'm looking for advise on how to treat 2 old raised scars on my shoulder and  >upper back.  I got them from a car accident when I was 10yrs old (now early

  >30's) They weren't sure what caused them & didn't find anything in the car

  >wreck but said they were "burns".

  >Originally they were dark pink/red & treated with creams, molds, silicone &

  >injections. As you can see in pics recently they improved a lot.

  >I'm not sure if they're keloid or hypertrophic scars.

  >Is this a surgery only option or could dermarolling help?

   

   

  If it is a keloid scar, dermarolling is a bad idea. The difference between a keloid and a hypertrophic scar is that a hypertrophic scar is raised but it is more or less within the boundaries of the original injury. Keoloid scars totally outgrow the original boundaries of the injury and they grow to all directions. A person prone to keloids can get a huge scar just after a bug bite or vaccination.

   

  If you heal normally from little cuts then it would point to the direction that it is just a hypertrophic burn scar and dermarolling would be very useful to try. Burns very often heal in the form of hypertrophic scars.

   

  Burn scars consist of very tough scar tissue and you'll need long needles.

   

  You should try our 2 mm NARROW roller that is specifically for tough and relatively wide scars. You do not have to push the needles all the way in, but roll densely. Try to crush the hardened tissue.

  You must first do a test patch on a small part of the scar to see how it heals. If that goes allright, densely the entire scar densely once a month. Immediately after dermarolling and continuing for days afterwards, apply pressure with your fingers onto the scar for approx. 20 seconds, spot by spot. Do this twice a day until the scar has been flattened as much as it can be.

   

  2 mm rolling might be quite painful, it should still be bearable though - especially such a small area but you could buy (our) numbing cream.

   

  Alternatively, you can crush the hardened scar tissue with our single needles. Again, you must do a test patch first.

   

Related subject:

https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/What-to-do-about-hypertrophic-scars

  >Unfortunately I was tricked by marketing & purchased super cop x2 before I

  >read your forum. I take it that I should just throw this expensive cream out?

   

  You could try it, why not.

   

   

  >I also have an epila laser diode 808nm (hair removal) can this be used on scar?

   

   

  I am not sure what you mean. You want to remove hair from your scar?

  A hair epilation laser targets Melanin in the hair follicles but it won't be able to improve your scar.

   

   

  >I've also read Tamanu oil is great on scars, is this more marketing?

   

  It is an anti-inflammatory and antibacterial. Used for cuts and wounds to heal. Similar as Tee Tree Oil.  But it is not going to make your scar disappear:

   

  https://http://www.agroforestry.net/scps/Tamanu_specialty_crop.pdf

   

   

  >Can I use your copper peptide mask on hair & lashes? (if its true it

  >thickens hair)

   

  I do not think copper peptides thicken hair otherwise everybody who uses it on their face would be complaining of increased facial hair. I have never heard about this, regarding copper peptides.

   

  You should use Latisse. That really works with most people. You need a prescription or you have to order it from India or something.

   

  https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/Latisse-for-eyelashes-enhancement

These are examples of Keloid scars:

                     

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Sun protection with dermarolling

« on: March 24, 2011, 01:05:18 PM »

>Secondly, after my pregnancies I have a big problem with hyper

>pigmentation  in my face, last summer some areas were brown, others

>white and I always had  to use a big layer of makeup. I used sun tan but

>it didn't seem to help much. Your creams also seem to have helped in

>this area and my skin is almost back to normal after the winter but I fear

>the summer. Of course I can get sun protection cream but I just wanted

>to ask you if you sell any more cream for this area as I would probably

>buy anything from you.

  I'm flattered! Unfortunately I do not have any better advice than using a good sun protection cream and a hat. If you want to make your own sun protection cream, buy a baby diaper rash cream containing zinc oxide, mix some of it with a hydrating cream or a skin cream that you normally use and add some makeup to make the cream a bit less white (zinc oxide is extremely white, it's used as a white pigment). It should not be too thick or you will look like you're wearing a mask but make it thick enough to be effective.

   

There are two kinds of substances used in sunscreen creams. Physical sunblocks or/and chemical sunblocks.

   Zinc oxide and titanium dioxide are physical sunblocks (they form a barrier and deflect the rays), they block the entire UV spectrum. Nowadays, zinc oxide or titanium dioxide is added to most sun creams. Unfortunately it has its problems too. It dries up the skin and its whitish color makes one look like a zombie.

There is a micronized form (it is not white but transparent) of zinc oxide sun cream for sale. There were some concerns regarding the fact that the particles of zinc oxide in it are so small that they penetrate the skin and some could get into the bloodstream with unknown long-term side effects. As far as I know, so far there were no negative effects confirmed and it was approved for sale.  

  Physical sunblocks do not deteriorate with sun exposure. As long as they remain on the skin, they deflect the sun's rays.

Chemical sunblocks in sun creams have one big disadvantage. If you are exposed to the sun, after an hour or two (depending on how strong the sun is) the chemical filters are "used up" and the cream has to be reapplied.There are studies showing that using a chemical sun block and not re-applying it regularly caused more free radicals formation in the skin than in the skin where no sun protection was used at all. That is why it is wise to use a sun cream containing physical sunblocks (in addition to chemical filters).





    If you suffer from inflammatory hyperpigmentation (Melasma,Rosacea etc),  use one that has only physical filters and no chemical filters since chemical filters

  sometimes tend to worsen pigmentation, especially Melasma. Pharmacies often sell sunscreens with physical filters for people who are

  allergic to chemical filters.

   

  IMPORTANT:

  Do not completely shelter yourself from the sun. Sunshine is our most efficient source of vit. D, which forms in the skin upon sun exposure.

Vit. D is very important for many reasons including proper functioning of our immune system - crucial to remain healthy.

Do not excessively sunbathe but every now and then, expose yourself for about 15 minutes to the sun with lots of naked skin to get enough vit. D.

If you have dark skin, you need to stay about three times longer in the sun as dark skin functions as natural sun protection.

Consider vit. D supplementation during winter months.

For those interested in  detailed studies on vit. D:

                                                             Vitamin D supplementation, 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentrations, and safety

https://http://www.ajcn.org/content/69/5/842.full

   Vitamin D: Important for Prevention of

  Osteoporosis, Cardiovascular Heart Disease,

  Type 1 Diabetes, Autoimmune Diseases, and

  Some Cancers

       https://http://www.ysonut.fr/pdf/Ysodoc/D030301.pdf

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Subcision-suction method for acne scars

« on: March 09, 2011, 01:13:43 PM »

The Subcision-suction method: A new successful combination therapy in treatment of atrophic acne scars and other depressed scars.

S Aalami Harandi, K Balighi, V Lajevardi,, E Akbari

Conclusion:

"Frequent suctioning at the recurrence period of subcision increases subcision efficacy remarkably and causes significant and persistent improvement in short time, without considerable complication, in depressed scars of the face."

Full article here: https://http://www.owndoc.com/pdf/therapy-in-treatment-of-atrophic-acne-scars.pdf

Prior to suctionng, instead of subcision, needle the scar aggressively with the single needle from all angles or use a dermastamp.

From the study:

"start of suction on third day after subcision for flat and depressing subcised scars and its continuation at least every other day for 2weeks."

"high grade of improvement was mostly in patients in group A1 who had almost daily suctioning in the first week of suctioning period"

"On the first days, we used less negative pressure; but in the subsequent sessions, depending on the condition of scars, we could increase negative pressure (even to maximum: −70 mmHg), length of time (not more than 4 s in each pass) and the number of suctioning passes (even 8–12 passes) per session."


Subcision is a much more aggressive method than needling/stamping so you should actually start suctioning sooner than 3 days after needling/stamping. Start a day after.
The suctioning method is so new and this (cheap!) method is so rarely used by doctors that the absolutely optimal approach is not known yet and you have to basically improvise and try different approaches.
The study used 0.1 bar (10%) underpressure and our pump sucks stronger but on the other hand, more suction is necessary because you're not doing a subcision first.


UPDATE: We are now selling these pumps here:
https://http://shop.owndoc.com/product-info.php?suction-pump-scars-pid212.html

Please read these two forum postings. They contain some good tips from our forum members regarding the suctioning method:

https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/indented-forehead-shingles-aftermath-(/

https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/14-month-update-skin-keeps-getting-better



Other interesting methods to improve scars:

https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/Saline-injections-for-acne-scars

https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/Autologous-(own)-blood-injection-for-acne-scars-or-atrophic-scars