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Dermarolling / Microneedling / single needle - having a hard time

« on: July 15, 2011, 03:55:18 PM »

There is usually some pinpoint bleeding with the single needle but it doesn't always occur.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Dermarolling for loose skin (especially post-partum tummy skin)?

« on: July 15, 2011, 01:47:00 PM »

Yes, it can improve loose skin to a certain extent, including post-partum skin but not if there is a lot of excessive skin. It can improve the texture of the skin - the skin will slightly tighten but it cannot remove lots of excessive skin. You should definitely try to roll densely with a 1.5 mm dermaroller on your tummy every three weeks.  Also, dry-brush the skin on the tummy as explained in our dermarolling instructions and use the A-Ret gel. Tone your muscles with exercises if you find the time for it.

   

  Dermarolling will improve the skin by triggering the formation of new collagen and elastin.

  If you have a significant amount of excessive skin or "dislocated" muscles (this sometimes happens after pregnancy and cannot be fixed by exercising), you need to have a tummy tuck.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Rolling on removed mole and hyperpigmentation

« on: July 15, 2011, 08:43:38 AM »

>I had a mole on left side of my face, which was removed by doctor cca 5

  >months ago, he did great job, theres just a small red dot left , can

  >I dermaroll on this area ?

 

 

Yes.

   

  >I have just a small hyperpigmentation on my forehead that I got on my

  >last holliday ( I used 30+ UV protection cream, I dont get it why I

  >got hyperpigmentation, some people I met on holliday had 5+ factors and

  >got no problems , but anyway its there ), can I dermaroll this area ?

   Yes. Dermarolling may even help with it. If you bought the A-Ret gel, use it on the hyperpigmentation.

   

   

  > 2, I am gonna take hot bath ( 1 hour )

   

If you are going to roll your face, then steaming the face would probably be more efficient for facial skin than a bath.  

  My answer is number 3:

   

  https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/How-to-soften-the-skin-before-needling /a>

   

   

   

  >4, ( do I have to wipe also stamp and roller when I am gonna unpack

  >absolutly new ones I ordered from you ? ),

   

No. If it is new, you do not have to soak it in alcohol. Soak it in alcohol right after using it. Air dry it and put it back into the container.  

 

   > can I use cotton wool with alcohol for that ?

   

Yes.

   

   

  >7, after rolling I am gonna take a shower only with lukewarm water

   

 

Or just rinse your face with lukewarm water.

   

 

 

  >8, I am gonna air dry with towel

     

   

  Only air-dry it. Do not use a towel (towels could have bacteria).

   

   

  >9, I am gonna apply Infadolan ( just a small amount ), can I do it with my

  >fingers

 

   

  Yes.

   

   

 

  >If I ll get some bleedig throughout rolling or stamping, do I have to stop

  >rolling and immediatly use cotton wool with alcohol to stop bleeding ?

   

   No, not immediately. The pinpoint bleeding is no problem. You can wipe it off every now and then while you are still rolling or after you have finished. There may occur some pinpoint bleeding with dermastamping but hardly any with dermarolling. At least from my own experience.

   

  >Can I use Led light therapy one week after dermarolling?

     

   

  Yes, but LED light therapy is not very useful in my opinion.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / New scar nose

« on: July 15, 2011, 08:21:21 AM »

I paste here my answer to another customer with the same problem:

   

 Whenever I receive a question about scars on the nose, I get nervous.. The problem is, that the skin on the nose reacts very unpredictably comparing to the rest of the skin. Nasal skin can heal worse than you started with. There is no fat layer under that skin, there is only cartilage and that might be the reason.

 Skin procedures on the nose are always risky.

 I can only suggest this: Use the single needle on it but do not do any aggressive needling. Concerning the nose, ignore the guidelines for needling that are on our website. Make just three pricks into your scar (to the bottom of the scar).

 If it heals well, make four pricks the next time. If it heals well, make five pricks the next time. Continue like this but never do aggressive, dense needling. Just a few, very gentle pricks.

   
You can replace the single needle with a 1.5 mm dermastamp (or shorter length) but the same rule applies. Start slowly and never dermastamp aggressively. Do a test patch first.

Using a 0.75 mm dermastamp every ten days is OK.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Strong alcohol as disinfectant, hyperpigmentation, risk of infection

« on: July 15, 2011, 08:20:16 AM »

You mean how long the redness lasts after dermarolling?

   

  I am addressing it here:

   https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/How-long-will-the-redness-lastD/a>

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / single needle - having a hard time

« on: July 15, 2011, 08:19:46 AM »

The skin is a very tough organ because it has to protect us. If you needle scars, it is even harder to penetrate that skin than non-scarred skin. You should soften the skin before needling. It will help a little.  

  My answer is number 3:

   

  https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/How-to-soften-the-skin-before-needling /a>

     

  What are you needling?

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / How to use the ointments and vitamins together?

« on: July 13, 2011, 10:00:36 AM »

Most of your questions are answered here:

   

  https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/Best-Skin-Care-RoutineD/a>

   

Yes, you can use Infadolan and Tretinoin together. They contain vit. A and vit. D that are both fat-soluble. Better to apply Tretinoin first and then a little Infadolan.  

You can use Mederma.  

 

When you stop applying Infadolan, use any cream that you like but use also Tretinoin.

   

  Water-soluble vitamins, (C and B) can't easily penetrate oily surfaces.

   

  Fat-soluble vitamins, which are (D, E, A, K) have no difficulties penetrating.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Acne Scar Questions! :]

« on: July 11, 2011, 12:24:42 PM »

Vit. C (ascorbic acid) and Strivectin are not interchangeable. Ascorbic acid is necessary for collagen synthesis. Strivectin is a moisturizing cream and it contains a small amount of vit. C as a preservative but that is not enough.

   You should at the very least increase your oral intake of vit. C. Topical application however is the only way to significantly increase the level of vit. C in the skin.

   If your scars do not improve even after long-term dermarolling/needling, start applying A-Ret gel into the scar immediately after needling. You can use a toothpick for that.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Acne Scar Questions! :]

« on: July 10, 2011, 02:43:16 PM »

I recommend buying a 1 mm dermaroller and the single needles (used for individual deeper scars). This combination should improve the overall skin texture and the single needle will improve even those scars that may resist improvement with a 1 mm dermaroller. You can also use only the 1 mm dermaroller and buy the single needles later if necessary.

   You can improve acne or other scars with dermarolling or needling but there is currently no method that can significantly and permanently reduce pore size. Pores are ducts in the skin and their size is in the genes. As we age the pore size increases. Only a few customers reported a mild improvement in pore size. They had acne prone, oily skin.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Dermarolling for sagging around the jawline / vit. C and oils

« on: July 10, 2011, 02:08:13 PM »

You can apply an oil-based substance after applying vit. C (let the vit. C absorb first) but you should not apply oily substances prior to vit. C application because the water-soluble ascorbic acid will have great difficulty penetrating an oily surface.

I agree it is quite a hassle applying watery mixtures to the skin because it drips etc.  I use a cotton pad, wet it with vit. C serum and basically clean my face with it.

The best way to get vit. C deep into the skin is to apply it after rolling with a 0.2 mm dermaroller.

Vit. C (ascorbic acid) is very useful for the skin but there are several challenges concerning using it topically.

Ascorbic acid is water soluble (not oil soluble) and as soon as mixed with water, the solution is not very stable. It starts to oxidize and eventually the colorless mixture turns yellow/orange color. You have to prevent oxidation by keeping it in an airtight container in the fridge. You should make a new batch about every 20 days. This is not a problem for homemade preparations but factory-produced ascorbic acid in water preparations would have to be sold and used within about a month, which is undoable.

That is why there have been many attempts to make ascorbic acid stable or using oil soluble derivatives of vit. C.

Using anhydrous mixtures - meaning water-free mixtures - solves the problem with instability of water mixtures but it has other problems.

As far as I know, one used method is to disperse a very finely grinded (micronized) ascorbic acid into silicone gel. When applied on the skin, the ascorbic acid will start dissolving in the moisture of your own skin. The silicone mixture is stable for longer than water mixtures and thus it can be sold in the shops.

There are other methods how to make ascorbic acid mixtures stable but if you are willing to make a new batch every 20 days, you do not have to worry about it. It is the manufacturer who sells vit. C ready to apply preparations that have to find solution to stabilize it because it can take a long time before the product reaches the customer.

Another way is to use oil soluble derivatives of vit. C such as Ascorbyl Tetraisopalmitate (= Tetrahexyldecyl Ascorbate).

Nevertheless, in studies regarding preparations of vit. C applied on the skin, the derivatives of ascorbic acid failed to increase the levels of ascorbic acid in the skin. Only ascorbic acid increased the levels of ascorbic acid in the skin.

“Derivatives of ascorbic acid including magnesium ascorbyl phosphate, ascorbyl-6-palmitate, and dehydroascorbic acid did not increase skin levels of L-ascorbic acid.”

https://http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11207686

Emulsifying wax is a wax treated with a detergent to make oil and water bind together. Yes, I think dispersing ascorbic acid in oils will reduce its penetration. You should at least grind your vit. C into a very fine powder.

Mild cases of sagging skin can be improve by a dermaroller but it can only affect the skin, not the underlying structures affected by aging such as receding fat and dropping down muscles.

I can't comment on whether facial exercises can slow down the effects of gravity and the general drooping of the skin’s underlying structures. I do not know.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Is it safe to use Clinical resolution dermaroller on my damaged skin?

« on: July 09, 2011, 04:13:39 AM »

I'm not a doc :-)

We see these rollers again and again - they are the same rollers that failed to make it through our test, you can compare them with the description and picture. These rollers are sold in bulk in China for approx. 5 dollars each, when buying a few hundred.

Their FDA entry says that their roller has no FDA registration/permission, look at the actual data:

Submission Type 510(K) Exempt  

So their device needs no FDA registration and has no FDA permission because they don't need it. We have been saying that all along - Dermarollers with the needle lengths we sell are not medical devices so no FDA registration is required, and those who claim FDA registration have only an "exempt" number, not a FDA test & approval number. In any case, even a FDA "test" number only means that they believe the manufacturer's own tests. The FDA really doesn't care about safety - they're in the business of making money for Big Pharma first, and making money for themselves second. Safety never enters their equations.

Anyone can submit their company address to the FDA and get a database entry, and anyone can submit any random device and get a "FDA approval not required" number for that device. The FDA gladly sells meaningless "exempt numbers" like that - for a steep fee - but it will of course help you sell more devices because the general public does not understand very much how the FDA works (or how patents or trademarks work, for that matter).

You could use the rollers but I wouldn't recommend it, since they really are the worst rollers available on the market today. If they have not improved since we last tested that type, their handles are too weak to be able to apply steady pressure. It could be that they have changed their needle quality - we found it lacking last time.

Just do not buy into the hype. A roller that's more expensive than 40 dollars is a ripoff. A dermaroller is an exceedingly simple device, originally intended to be thrown away after single use. All rollers on the consumer market are designed and produced with that original design goal in mind - meaning they should be cheap above all - because the whole idea behind them is that they are disposable.

We can safely re-use them when we only use them on ourselves and check the needles before each session and sterilize the roller after each use, but that is not how the inventors of the dermarollers and developers of the "pirated" rollers intended things. All current plastic rollers are still designed with the idea that they will be thrown away after a single use - so they should be cheap.

That's why we think it's outrageous that anyone dares to ask so much money for a roller. And the craziest aspect about such price gouging is that they always do it with the cheapest, worst rollers.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Dermaroller and hair on skin - infection problem?

« on: July 08, 2011, 03:38:04 PM »

Disinfecting the skin takes care of the hairs as well.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Dermaroller and hair on skin - infection problem?

« on: July 08, 2011, 08:03:23 AM »

I am not sure if you mean scalp hair on hair on skin elsewhere.

  There is no problem with rolling on hairy skin - such as the forearms, thigh chest etc. If you roll on the scalp to promote hair growth, roll in one direction - from the roots to the ends.

If the hairs are very long, you should roll in the direction the hairs are going. If you get entangled hairs in spite of that, use a dermastamp or use a trimmer beforehand.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Dermastamp Questions

« on: July 07, 2011, 08:06:14 AM »

The skin on the forehead is thinner, especially on the sides of the forehead but there is no reason not to use a 1.5 mm dermastamp. I use a 1.5 mm or even a 2 mm dermaroller on my entire face and I get hardly any pinpoint bleeding, however if I do get pinpoint bleeding, it is on the forehead. If you get too much pinpoint bleeding with the 1.5 mm dermastamp on your forehead, you can regulate needle penetration by putting less pressure on the instrument when you stamp thin-skinned areas such as the sides of the forehead. A young male usually has thick skin and I don't see a problem using a 1.5 mm stamp. You don't have to push the needles fully in. Just do some test patches and you will see. You can stamp the same area every 3-4 weeks. You will need many stamping sessions to achieve results.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Dermarolling on thin skin with visible veins?

« on: July 04, 2011, 12:34:58 PM »

You can control the penetration of the needles by putting more or less pressure on the dermaroller. So far no customer has reported any problems with dermarolling over skin with visible veins. A few customers got bruises using the single needle, because the single needle does penetrate much deeper than a dermaroller and sometimes people go too deep. We have never heard of bruises caused by a dermaroller.  Getting several pinpoint bleeding spots is normal and harmless.  If you are worried, go for a 1 mm dermaroller. A dermaroller will get blunt eventually so you can buy a 1.5 mm with your next purchase (provided that everything worked out allright for you when rolling with the 1 mm).

   Concerning dermarolling under your eyes, please read my answer (mine is #3) here:

   

  https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/Can-I-use-a-Dermaroller-on-this-area-under-the-eye