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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Piercing scar?

« on: February 20, 2013, 04:05:14 PM »

The problem with piercing is that the skin around the piercing often becomes atrophied and as a result there emerges a hole larger in diameter than the original piercing.

I suggest a 1.5 mm dermastamp with 35 needles. Stamp the scar densely every three weeks. The dermastamp will crush the scar tissue and trigger new collagen growth. There is a good chance the hole will soften and fill in or partially fill in.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Fresh adult chicken pox scars, which roller should I use?

« on: February 19, 2013, 01:30:19 PM »

After all scabs have disappeared, you can needle the scars two weeks from there (that is the minimum waiting time). Most of your marks will heal without leaving a scar. If you eat a diet which rich in salads and fruits, you do not need vit. C (topically or supplementation), but it would still be of benefit.

Applying a little Infadolan is a good choice for microneedling after-care.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Pinpoint bleeding with .5mm dermastamp

« on: February 19, 2013, 01:24:21 PM »

It is all quite individual. We have customers who get pinpoint bleeding when rolling their face with a 0.5 mm dermaroller and we have those who complain that they get no pinpoint bleeding when rolling their face with a 2 mm dermaroller. It is both OK.

A dermastamp however penetrates deeper than a dermaroller of the same needle size.

Treat your scars with the dermastamp you already have and only if you get no improvement in six months, go for longer needles.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Fresh adult chicken pox scars, which roller should I use?

« on: February 18, 2013, 04:59:45 PM »

I do agree that scars should be treated as soon as possible but some of your chicken pox spots are still "raw" or crusted. The injuries caused by the virus are not yet completely healed. They may still contain the virus and it is really a bad idea to push a potentially dangerous virus deeper into your skin with the needles.

You wrote "I just got over a bout of adult chicken pox this week".  It is really too early. If it heals quickly and there are no crusts, you can stamp in two weeks but not earlier. Stamping will trigger collagen production and crush the scar tissue.  Some of the spots will still improve by themselves and heal scar-free.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Fresh adult chicken pox scars, which roller should I use?

« on: February 18, 2013, 01:55:45 PM »

Thank you for the compliment!

Your scars are not yet completely healed and you should wait at least four weeks. The scars will likely still improve by themselves.

For the remaining indentations, use a 1.5 mm dermastamp with 35 needles and stamp the scars densely every three weeks. If you get no improvement after six months of stamping, add the suction pump because some of these type of scars may be tethered.

The chance that your scars improve after regular stamping is very high. If they do not, you can later consider some of your mentioned methods, such as subcision (it is expensive and there is a small risk of scarring).

Please keep us posted!

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Can dermarolling help with Melasma?

« on: February 17, 2013, 02:17:25 PM »

In 2011, there has been a study about enhancing the penetration of skin depigmenting products by dermaneedling (needle length of 0.5 mm and 0.13 mm) with successful results:
Skin Needling to Enhance Depigmenting Serum Penetration in the Treatment of Melasma:

https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/dermaroller-for-melasma/

You can try a 0.5 mm regular dermaroller (up to three times a week) to enhance the penetration of a Hydroquinone cream. The best protocol is 3 month on, 1 month off and so on.

Related subject:
https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/melasma-cure-and-dermarolling/

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Melasma cure and dermarolling

« on: February 16, 2013, 10:01:18 AM »

In 2011, there has been a study about enhancing the penetration of skin depigmenting products by dermaneedling (needle length of 0.5 mm and 0.13 mm) with successful results:
Skin Needling to Enhance Depigmenting Serum Penetration in the Treatment of Melasma:

https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/dermaroller-for-melasma/

You can try a 0.5 mm regular dermaroller (up to three times a week) to enhance the penetration of a Hydroquinone cream. The best protocol is 3 month on, 1 month off and so on.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: How long can I use Infadolan for?

« on: February 15, 2013, 05:14:45 PM »

Vit. A

   "Acute toxic dose is 25,000 IU/kg, and chronic toxic dose is 4000 IU/kg every day for 6-15 months.”

  Source: https://http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/819426-overview



Our 30-gram tubes of Infadolan contain in total 48,000 IU of Retinyl acetate per tube.

For acute toxicity, an individual weighing 50 kg would have to eat 26 tubes of Infadolan in one go.

For chronic toxicity, an individual weighing 50 kg would have to eat four tubes of Infadolan daily for 6 to 15 months.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Dermarolling after roaccutane

« on: February 15, 2013, 02:15:11 PM »

Please read:
https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/dermarollingneedling-while-on-accutane/

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: What to use for Breast reduction scars?

« on: February 14, 2013, 02:08:28 PM »

I recommend a 1.5 mm dermastamp with 35 needles. Stamp all the scars densely and thoroughly every three weeks.

For the raised scars, perform the pressure massage described here:

https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/what-to-do-about-hypertrophic-scars/

For the hyperpigmented scars, try also our 0.05% Tretinoin cream. Apply it every second day.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Derma needling under eye

« on: February 14, 2013, 11:24:23 AM »

A 0.5 needle length is definitely more optimal for your purpose. The skin around the eyes is quite thin but we have customers using a 1.5 mm dermaroller around the eyes without any problems (no bruises etc.).

Do not dermaneedle inside the red circled area on the picture shown here:

https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/can-i-use-a-dermaroller-on-this-area-under-the-eye-%28pic-included%29/

Someone who promotes expensive fillers and at the same time claims that dermarolling under the eyes makes the skin look worse is not trustworthy.

While the skin is being renewed after microneedling, it is dry, rough and tender and during this process the skin may look worse.  Collagen production is also a long process and the results of dermarolling can take a while. Of course, just like any other method, microneedling does not improve 100% of skin conditions in 100% of cases. The wrinkles above my upper lip and the wrinkles in between my eyebrows improved tremendously after microneedling, whereas my crows' feet have not responded almost at all. Which wrinkles respond is very individual.

Some examples of successful improvement of crows' feet (with 0.5 mm or longer needles) that were posted by our customers:

https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/results/

https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/useage-of-the-2-0mm-derma-roller-and-derma-stamp/

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Hyper-pigmentation & Other

« on: February 13, 2013, 03:00:24 PM »

Sorry for the delayed reply!

Using a 1.5 mm dermastamp may be quicker way of needling stretch marks if you have very many. It is less targeted but still very effective.

>1.My breast and some small spots on legs have hyper-pigmentation on every area that I have >derma-rolling since 12/24/12

My answer here applies to you as well:

https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/single-needled-1-stretch-mark-3-12-weeks-ago-mark-still-red-normal/

>2.Unlike my own technique, I get a lot of bruising, which I read to be a good thing, from single
>needling. The bruising (deep blue-black bruising in some areas) last at least 14 days, which I
>thought was a little odd, but I do bruise easily even with a skin type of Fitzpatrick V. Is that
>normal?


It would be interesting to know what your technique is.
Bruising is not harmful but if you get it a lot of brusising, the needle length is too long for you or for that area. Instead of a 2 mm single needle, use a 1.5 mm dermastamp.
 

>Have I read correctly that single needling will help flatten the scar (note: I have gotten the scar
>almost completely flat)?

This link explains why microneedling flattens scars:

https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/needlingdermarolling-hypertrophic-scar/

Also, if the scar is hypertrophic, perform the pressure massage described here:

https://http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/what-to-do-about-hypertrophic-scars/

>4.Also, the scar of my knee is rough (extremely dry and thicken skin). I can pick at the scar and
>flakes of skin with come off. What do you think that is? How can I improve that area?


Using a 1.5 mm dermastamp is perhaps better for this type of thick scar.
You should constantly moisturize it with a semi occlusive cream such as Infadolan or even an occlusive cream such as Vaseline.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: How long can I use Infadolan for?

« on: February 13, 2013, 02:15:02 PM »

That line applies to the treatment of specific skin conditions such as dermatitis, burns, leg ulcers, diaper rash etc. and has been quoted out of context.

Infadolan is not an antiseptic, antibacterial or antifungal and many specific skin conditions are in fact caused by infections with a pathogen. Infadolan is indented for non-infected skin conditions (very popular for use on fresh burns). This is the reason why it is recommended to consult a doctor whether Infadolan is suitable, respectively whether your specific skin condition is infected or not. Instead of writing there a long story with complex argumentation, the leaflet simply tells the user to seek medical guidance when they use the ointment for any non-improving condition. This is the most effective method to achieve the self-treating patient's compliance.

The sentence you are referring to says in its original Czech (three of our dispatch center employees are Czech so we had one of them translate it):

"If your condition does not improve within seven days or if it worsens, contact your doctor. Duration of treatment with Infadolan without consulting your doctor should not exceed two weeks".

(emphasis ours)

The recommendation to see a doctor after 2 weeks of use is not because Infadolan can be bad for you when used long-term, but because when someone uses it on infected skin and the infection is still there after two weeks, Infadolan clearly does not help and the skin problem may even deteriorate if a doctor is not consulted.

The doctor may for example tell you not to use Infadolan because you have a fungal infection and need antifungals. Thus, you should not use Infadolan for more than 14 days without a doctor deciding what your condition is because for example a layer of Infadolan will increase moisture in the skin and that can worsen fungal infections that thrive in humid environments.

The skin after dermarolling is however not infected and Infadolan is very appropriate for regeneration and moisturizing. If you use it for example on the back of your hands for protection and moisturizing, the skin is not infected either and there is no problem with long term usage. Dermarolled or intact skin are not "skin conditions".

To sum it up: Infadolan can be used life-long, every day, from cradle to grave. There is absolutely no risk of any kind associated with it. It's as risky as putting butter on the skin.

You can understand by logical reasoning that Infadolan does not even have the slightest toxicity because if you can use Infadolan for two weeks on a new-born baby before having to see a doctor (as the instructions you quoted state), then an adult that weighs 30 times more would be able to use it for 15 months before having to see a doctor. That already indicates that the "seeing a doctor" recommendation has nothing to do with any possible side effects of the Infadolan. Neither will the doctor, after you having used Infadolan for 2 weeks, administer liver tests to see whether your liver can stand up to more "Infadolan abuse", but he or she will look at why you're using Infadolan (what is wrong with your skin).

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Blood in Dermastamp - How to Clean?

« on: February 13, 2013, 03:31:39 AM »

That's great advice - it will go straight into our instructions :-)

(I'll answer your blood-pooling question shortly)

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Blood in Dermastamp - How to Clean?

« on: February 12, 2013, 04:19:28 PM »

We have been made aware of the problem, and I'm sorry about that. We added the following, about a week ago, to the description of the 1.5 and 2 mm dermastamp in our store:

With this model, it is possible to get some discoloration caused by blood staining at the needle base. There are unfortunately no models on the market that do not have this problem, but it can largely be avoided by rinsing the needles by letting a strong stream of water run over them, needles pointed upwards. Use a 2% Chloramine-T solution to sterilize overnight.

When our current stock has been sold out, we're launching our own model.

I'll answer your other question a bit later, OK? It's bedtime here :-)