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Dermarolling / Microneedling / acne scar - where to start

« Last post by beauty123 on February 10, 2014, 05:05:43 PM »

hi sarah,
I have few question about dermaroller and dermastamp:
1. what is different between those? which one is better?
2. what kind of cream should I use before and after treatment?
3. I want to start with 0.5mm, can I treat my acne scars and spot with 0.5mm?

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Tiny white pimples after dermarolling

« Last post by SarahVaughter on February 10, 2014, 04:53:27 PM »

It is not a standard reaction after mcironeedling but it is not uncommon and several customers did report getting bumps or whiteheads.  Surprisingly, the reaction usually did not happen after the first treatment but after the third or so treatment and they always disappeared.

Rough, dry, flaking and tingling skin after microneedling is completely normal and you should moisturize a lot.

You should not roll until your whiteheads are gone.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Best Skin Care Routine

« Last post by SarahVaughter on February 10, 2014, 04:29:12 PM »

In our experience, a dermastamp or a combination of a dermastamp and dermaroller is more effective for acne scars than a dermaroller alone. You should definitely add the dermastamp and during the same session, first stamp the scars with a 1.5 mm dermastamp and then roll the entire area.

For your cyst scarring, use a 1.5 mm dermastamp every 3-4 weeks. What you can try is applying Tretinoin cream (A-Ret) on these scars right after stamping. It may help softening the scar tissue. I do not normally recommend applying Tretinoin right after microneeding but is some special cases (any scars or stretch marks with tough scar tissue) i do recommend it. 

Concerning your oils, keep the skin moisturized after microneedling until it heals. For the rest, if you feel your skin "likes" the oils, apply them as you suggested. Infadolan is very oily so I do not think it needs oils in addition to that.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Tiny white pimples after dermarolling

« Last post by Mamaschultz on February 10, 2014, 01:59:05 PM »

Hello,

I am new to dermarolling. I did my first session two days ago, on my chest and stomach. Today I am noticing a lot of tiny white pimples on both areas. Is this a normal part of rolling? I was very careful to have a clean roller and work area. I applied vitamin E after my treatment, bio oil to moisturizer the following days. My skin is also very rough and tinkly feeling, which was not a problem before as I was treating light stretch marks. I used a 1.5. I am concerned I did something wrong and damaged my skin or something awful. I would truly appreciate any insight! Thank you

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Not sure what i'm doing wrong

« Last post by SarahVaughter on February 10, 2014, 12:12:56 PM »

Hi,

Your posting is off-topic on this forum. You posted photos of dermarollers that are not ours and which we tested as inferior, especially the one that doesn't have needles but stamped knives.

Your star pattern rolling technique is a technique we warn against and the products you use are not products we recommend and are potentially harmful.

Your posting can also be regarded as SPAM for claiming that various dubious products for which you mention a brand name are "good for the skin".

As to the likely reason why you got no results:

DMSO is a solvent to carry chemicals into the skin. It completely saturates all skin layers with itself. It should never be used in conjunction with dermaneedling. It may completely block the inflammatory processes required. The other product is outrageously expensive and contains sulphur which may also interfere with the inflammatory processes. I suggest you don't roll random chemicals into your skin (I counted six products you're rolling in now - that's a cocktail of dozens of chemicals!) because they very well may completely block the inflammatory biochemical processes you're seeking to induce.

This forum is a place where we answer questions about our products and our recommendations to our customers. That is all I have time for, my apologies.

(OP banned for forum rule violations - sorry but we can either stay on topic or close this forum)

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Questions about needling scars

« Last post by mustardseed46 on February 10, 2014, 11:07:19 AM »

Wow those are a bunch of questions.

Sarah say's to needle the scar and a little around it so I would not leave parts of the scar unneedled.

Needling alone is the main thing that will cause the magic to happen. The things you use prior (vit. C, A) will help the process. You don't want to use C or retin-a immediately after single needling. Use those in the days prior. Infadolan is perfect to use after. I suggest more reading here about Infadolan. Retin-a is awesome if used correctly. Many don't and complain that it causes too much irritation. Start out with the lowest strength and use a couple times a week and you should be fine. Gradually work up to .05% strength every other day. Infadolan can be used as often as you need it after needling. But it is greasy so most only use it for a short while after. Apply the vitamin C serum 4 days prior if you just begun, or many days prior, or dont use it. The magic is in the needling.

You could use a toner to rid your skin of oils. The vitamin C is not washed off the next morning. It will be absorbed into your skin and cant be washed off. The benefits will last up to 72 hours. This is all assuming your using a quality C serum.

Oral supplements help with general health but  to boost collagen production and scar remodeling, your not going to see much, if any, effect from taking supplements. They are working, but in the long term.

I would only be concerned about touching, rubbing the area just needled in the immediate hour or so after needling.

Yes you can apply vitamin C and Infadolan to hypertrophic scars.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Not sure what i'm doing wrong

« Last post by joy6899 on February 09, 2014, 04:51:14 PM »

 I've seen your advice for several women who posted about loose skin after pregnancy and what you suggest they do. I've been derma rolling on and off for almost 2 full years and nothing has really changed. I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or what.

I started out derma rolling with a 1.5mm  and I would roll going up and down, side to side, then diagonally, no less then 5 times each, all while holding my skin taunt. after rolling, I would spray my skin with DMSO, then MSM and gently rub that in  and follow with MSM lotion. Since that didn't seem to work, I now use shea butter mixed w/vitamin e, rose hip oil, frankincense, rosewood, and lavender after spraying my DMSO and MSM spray. all have properties good for the skin


I started out rolling every 4 weeks for 3 months. When I didn't see anything change, (I know it probably wasn't right) I started rolling once a week and its been a few months. Could it be the rollers? (I did not change them as often as  I now know I should have, but I always kept them clean. Both are from ebay)
 Am I not using enough pressure? (I don't push down until I bleed)
Is it the products?


thanks

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Questions about needling scars

« Last post by user886 on February 08, 2014, 07:44:35 PM »

I've been using your single needles for a little while and am happy to say I have seen improvement.  It is my hope that since these scars are small that I will be able to get rid of them completely or at least come close to doing this.  I have a few questions:

1) I needle very aggressively.  I needle the scar a lot, trying to hit every single part of it, as well as a bit outside of it.  I probably hit the same spots of the scar several times.  I basically do it until I can't take it anymore in that area.  All of my scars, even the ones on the nose, have either stayed the same or improved.  However, I read somewhere that you should actually leave parts of the scar unneedled so the good cells can send stuff to the bad ones or something like that.  Is this true?  Should I not try to needle the entire scarred area?


2) At the moment, all I am doing is needling.  I am not applying anything to them.  How much of a difference does applying stuff like vit C and A make?  Or copper peptides?  I am concerned about the possible redness/irritation that could follow.  But I do wonder if the results would be better and faster if I did apply something.  And if so, what would you recommend?  The infadolan stuff just seems like a moisturizer basically?  How necessary is the retin a?  That stuff I know can irritate my skin a lot.  If I were to apply infadolan, how often would I apply it?  And for the vitamin c, I understand it is about 2-3 times a week.  In the instructions you say to apply vitamin c serum 4 days prior to needling...is that just that one night 4 days before you needle or do you apply it every day leading up to needling?  Also, I understand that you need to strip the skin of oil before applying vitamin c.  I stopped using all facial cleansers and that has definitely helped my acne.  How would you suggest I go about getting rid of the oil prior to applying vitamin c?  Could this be done with just a tissue or water or maybe those salicylic acid pads?  And how would I get the vitamin c off of my face the next morning?


3) Is there anything that you recommend taking orally to help boost collagen production and scar remodeling?  I am treating both indented and hypertrophic scars.  I heard that 1g of vitamin C, 1g of MSM, and 5g of flaxseed oil a day helps.  Currently I am taking fish oil, primrose oil, probiotics and a multivitamin that has 300mg vit C and 10,000 IU vit A total.  I also get a lot of protein and amino acids which I heard helps.


4) Is it true that you should avoid rubbing or touching areas after you needle them?  I saw somewhere that the new skin coming in is extremely fragile and rubbing the area can actually tear or break this down.  I ask because many of my scars are on the nose where I frequently take a tissue and rub all the excess oil off because for some reason that area gets very oily.  Also, I have indented scars right next to hypertrophic ones and apply pressure to the area 1-2 times a day to try to bring them down.


5) Speaking of hypertrophic scars, would I apply infadolan and vitamin c serum to them?  Would it help/hurt my goal of trying to bring them down?  For treating these scars I have just been stamping and needling them very aggressively, just like the indented scars, and apply pressure for 20-30 seconds 1-2 times a day.   


A lot of questions, I know.  I thank you in advance for taking the time to address them.  I'll be happy to answer other peoples questions as to what I've been doing to get results...though I pretty much covered all of that in my questions.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Best Skin Care Routine

« Last post by bblondon on February 08, 2014, 12:37:12 PM »

Hi All,

First, I would like to thank Sarah and others for this incredible site. There is so much good information and advice it's been very helpful.

I have been suffering from acne scarring since my teens and I am close to 40 now. I have mild acne scarring and some acne cyst scarring (rubbery bumps) on both side of my cheeks. As all sufferers know they look worst in the wrong light. To stop acne in my teens I had to take Roaccutane. Ever since I don't get acne.

Only in the last 16 months I have been trying to get rid of my acne scarring. It has always bothered me and affected my self confidence. I have been to some private clinics and paid allot of money for dermaroller and derma stamp treatments. I then started doing lots of research and watched videos and decided to do it my self and I am glad I did. I believe I can derma-roll much better myself and after 16 months I have started seeing some improvements. I have a long way to go but it is encouraging to see some results and as other forum users say it takes time. 

I have been using 0.5mm dermaroller once a week and 1.5mm every 5 weeks

As facial creams goes I have been trying some natural oils. It is hard for me to tell whats working whats not working though. But I have done allot of research on oils and these are some of the best ones for regeneration and healing. I have oily skin but using these oils doesn't make my skin too oily or shiny, because I have been using them for a while now my skin produces less oils.

Every day (Also right after dermarolling) I apply (drop them in my palm mix and apply them on my face and neck)
5 drops of pai organic rosehip oil (vitamins, A, Carotenoids, Omegas 3, 6, 7, 9)
5 drops of bio oil
5 drops of antipodes organic avocado oil & rosehip (vitamins A, B, D, omega 3, 9)
1 drop of lavender oil (I don't use it after rolling)
1 drop of tea tree oil (I don't use it after rolling)
5 drops of Argan oil
3 drops of Jason vitamin E 45000 IU oil
+ wait for 20 mins and apply heliocare SPF 50 sun block during the day


After finding this site I immediately ordered 0.5, 1.5mm dermarollers 1.5mm derma stamp, vitamin C powder, Copper Peptide serum, Retin A, Infadolan.

I will carry on 0.5 rolling once a week and 1.5 every 5 weeks, since I roll aggressively and it bleeds allot and stays red for at least 3days even with 0.5mm
I will apply vit C and copper peptides and may be Retin A after rolling depending on my skin reaction.

Questions:

Shall I apply my skin oils mentioned above after rolling with 0.5 or 1.5? So I would apply them after; applying Vit C waiting for 15 mins applying copper peptide serum waiting for 15 mins applying Retin A waiting for 15 mins applying the oils?

As my daily oils. Shall I carry on using the above oils on my face with sunblock and Infadolan around the eyes during the day and in the evening your vit C, copper peptide, Retin A by alternating them (so one night vit C one night copper peptide and Ret A) also Infadolan around the eyes every night.

For my cyst scarring what would you recommend? I was thinking of using 1.5mm dermastamp every 5 weeks. Should I use 2.0mm instead?

Also I was told you have stopped selling numbing cream, do you have plans of getting more?

Many thanks...

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Not sure where to start??

« Last post by SarahVaughter on February 08, 2014, 11:18:45 AM »

She emailed me the after pictures: